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UN Security Council moves to end anonymity on Internet : Comments
By David Singer, published 19/5/2016The use of the Internet as a communications tool has been fuelled by the anonymity afforded to those who use it – enabling all kinds of hate and incitement to be spewed out daily.
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 10:45:16 AM
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Dear David,
As I was discussing anti-Semitism with Armchair Critic, I presented this clip with the intention that s/he learns to distinguish between "The Jews" and "Some Jews" or "There are Jews who". May I mention that I agree with Critic's remark in his reply that you too often use the expression "The Jews". One short video clip cannot express all the views of Prof. Leibowitz: in fact there are volumes of books, still being written today about him and his views. I do not automatically agree with anything Prof. Leibowitz ever said (in fact I once had a disagreement with him that turned into a shouting-match), but I do fully agree on the parts you quoted. There was indeed some euphoria in the 1990's regarding the prospects of peace between Israel and the [so-called] Palestinians and obviously that was not lost on Prof. Leibowitz. Indeed, "the direction of Israel politics has indeed changed since 1993", but in recent years it unfortunately changed again for the worse. Indeed, Palestinian rejectionism remains the same, although the attitude of other Arab states towards Israel has improved. However, even an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement, no doubt a great thing on its own, could not solve the main issue that Leibowitz noted: "And he stresses that his motivation is to save Israel, to restore the state to the moral high ground by ending its corrupting occupation. He is not primarily interested in campaigning for Palestinian rights. 'It is not a question of liberating Palestinians but of liberating the state. That is important.'" Peace and security for Israel are very important, but the moral character of the Jewish state is no less important (and even if you are not an Israeli, it should be especially important for you, being a Jew who is concerned with anti-Semitism). A peace agreement that allows Israel to keep even one millimetre of the area it took in 1967 is more dangerous than war because it would prevent Israel from healing its wounds within. Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 11:19:40 AM
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#Yuyutsu
You have not answered my question: "Were you merely ignorant in not knowing about Leibowitz's "words and ideas" expressed in the above interview [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/an-israeli-prophet-sees-signs-of-hope-yeshayahu-leibowitz-tells-sarah-helm-in-jerusalem-why-he-1470235.html0] - or was it deliberately concealed on your part?" I would hope it was a case of ignorance rather that deliberate concealment. Please enlighten me with your response. While I have your attention - can you please amplify your following statement: "I do not automatically agree with anything Prof. Leibowitz ever said (in fact I once had a disagreement with him that turned into a shouting-match), but I do fully agree on the parts you quoted." What was your disagreement about? Can you post a link to your comments - and his that you objected to? Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 2:22:14 PM
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Dear David,
I was aware that Prof. Leibowitz was actively involved in Israel's peace movement, but not of this specific "prophecy" (which I'm still perplexed why you consider it relevant to my discussion with Armchair Critic). My disagreement with Prof. Leibowitz was completely unrelated, it was about some scientific issue and it was never recorded. It seems that you are trying to dig my identity, perhaps in order to harass me either here in Australia or to take me to court in Israel on one of my family-visits. I am not an idiot! Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 2:57:11 PM
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C'mon David,
You do exactly the same thing you're accusing Yuyutsu of. You neglect to insert facts when it doesn't suit your narrative. How could one forget to mention "Judea Declares War On Germany"? Give the guy a break, I know all about your intimidating stance towards people that don't tow 'the official line" because I've put up with it as long as I've commented on your articles. Go have a glass of coke and a couple of tim-tims and chill the hell out. You're a thug and a bully and even my opinionated stance doesn't come close to the way you think you can treat people. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 2:58:26 PM
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//You're a thug and a bully and even my opinionated stance doesn't come close to the way you think you can treat people.//
He's got a fair point there Dave - you are an utter c%#t. You're also a halfwit and a coward to boot. How many days is it now that you've avoided responding to my arguments because you know you can't refute them by just crying 'Anti-Semite!' and you lack the intellect to otherwise refute them? Or just had the common decency to answer the questions I asked you? What a sad, pathetic little man you are. You do far more damage to the reputation of your Jewish brothers than any of Armchair Critic's wacky theories ever could. Why don't you just crawl back under your rock and cease and desist from your objectionable practice of uncritically accepting any and all policies proposed by the Israeli government no matter how shite they are, and from attempting to defend the indefensible. And then scurrying off and hiding when people bring up reasonable objections to it. Did it occur to you, Dave, that if you can only defend a policy in the face of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories but not against reasonable objections then it might be a rubbish policy? You don't have to agree with every Israeli government policy just because you're Jewish, Dave. That's not in Tanakh, and disagreeing with terrible policy does not make you a bad Jew. Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 9:13:22 AM
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I imagine life is pretty complicated for you in Australia.
What do you do if a fly lands on you?
Launch legal proceedings?
Start typing up letters of objection for referral to higher authorities in response to the fly's alleged infringements of your rights?
- Of causing fear or discriminating against you personally or of unlawfully trespassing or some other half-baked or contrived offense?
This country really is going down the toilet...