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UN Security Council moves to end anonymity on Internet : Comments

By David Singer, published 19/5/2016

The use of the Internet as a communications tool has been fuelled by the anonymity afforded to those who use it – enabling all kinds of hate and incitement to be spewed out daily.

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David,
Usually I'd just let it go at this point, with an expectation that you most likely will no longer reply.
But I'm tired of your attempts to threaten and intimidate, and of making unfounded allegations towards me.

So was my statement substantiated enough for you?
Or was what I said considered to be 'anti-Semitic' and 'hate-speech'?
Because I thought it was fair and reasonable comment.
( http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18242&page=0#324510 )

And I know that the next time I say it without providing a link you'll just say the same thing.
- Allege that my comment is unfounded, offensive, hateful etc...

What say you?
Let me ask the others - Was that a fair comment?
What if I make 100 comments just like that on each of Davids articles?

Am I considered 'anti-Semitic'? or to be engaging in 'hate speech'? or 'inciting hate speech'? by simply being able to balance David's arguments and paint a more realistic picture?

David might argue the previous comments are 'anti-Semitic' and 'hate speech' and that he was personally offended by them.
He may very well have been offended, who's to say?

David might argue that despite my arguments being reasonable that I'm still inciting a culture of hate by making the comments I do and providing others with the arguments with which to criticise Jews and Israel.

He might argue that because I know many of the facts about Israel that Israel would prefer others didn't know that I must've spent time looking into the subject and I must be anti-Semitic to have looked into these things.

He might argue that because I frequently comment on his articles that I'm stalking or consistently attacking him unfairly and that therefore I must be an anti-Semite.

(I criticise government all the time on this forum. Would Australians buy into the argument that because I do this I'm anti-Australian or a self hater?)

It's all up to you David.
Please tell us all how it works, I don't want to even be accused of racial discrimination, hate speech or inciting violence.
I get offended when falsely accused of it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 5 June 2016 8:56:11 AM
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#Armchair critic

You apparently continue to claim the 1933 international boycott of German goods provoked Hitler to kill six million Jews.

This is the timeline of what happened:

"On April 1, 1933, a week after Hitler became dictator of Germany, he ordered a boycott of Jewish shops, banks, offices and department stores. But the boycott was mostly ignored by German shoppers and was called off after three days. However, the unsuccessful boycott was followed by a rapid series of laws which robbed the Jews of many rights.

On April 7, "The Law of the Restoration of the Civil Service" was introduced which made 'Aryanism' a necessary requirement in order to hold a civil service position. All Jews holding such positions were dismissed or forced into retirement.

On April 22, Jews were prohibited from serving as patent lawyers and from serving as doctors in state-run insurance institutions.

On April 25, a law against the overcrowding of German schools placed severe limits on the number of young Jews allowed to enroll in public schools.

On June 2, a law prohibited Jewish dentists and dental technicians from working with state-run insurance institutions.

On May 6, the Civil Service law was amended to close loopholes in order to keep out honorary university professors, lecturers and notaries.

On September 28, all non-Aryans and their spouses were prohibited from government employment.

On September 29, Jews were banned from all cultural and entertainment activities including literature, art, film and theater.

In early October 1933, Jews were prohibited from being journalists and all newspapers were placed under Nazi control."
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/boycott.htm

Get it - this was State-sponsored anti-Semitism against a large segment of its own population.

Apparently the world in your opinion should have just sat quietly by and done nothing to express its abhorrence.

Your shameful attempt to blame the Jews for what happened to them subsequently as a result of the international boycott exposes you as a hard line Jew hater .

It would be nice to think you would have the integrity and decency to apologise and retract your offensive statement - but you have neither.
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 5 June 2016 10:11:09 AM
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//It would be nice to think you would have the integrity and decency to apologise and retract your offensive statement - but you have neither.//

Well that's the pot calling the kettle black, Dave.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 5 June 2016 2:46:19 PM
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David,
Quote 'You apparently continue to claim the 1933 international boycott of German goods provoked Hitler to kill six million Jews'.

I think I've suggested that before, and you accused me of 'anti-Semiticism' and 'hate speech' etc then too but you're not telling the full story and I invite you to correct me if I've got it wrong.

I'll repeat what I said in case you misunderstood me.

In my opinion, Israel's caught in a corner on BDS, and I wouldn't blame them for wanting the whole argument to just go away quietly, before the world really sees it for what it is.
The longer it continues, the more people will become aware that Jews did it to Germany prior to WWII.
The more Israel bangs on about it being anti-Semitic, the more it gives substance to Germany defending herself in that war, reducing the effectiveness of the Holocaust narrative, and which also brings into the mainstream the question of whether Jews brought their problems on themselves in that war.
Alternatively if it does nothing, the movement will get stronger.

Quote "April 1, 1933, a week after Hitler became dictator of Germany, he ordered a boycott of Jewish shops, banks, offices and department stores..."

Hilter became Chancellor on January 30 1933.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

It was the Enabling Act which was passed on March 24 1933.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

But March 24 1933 was also the day in which the Jews declared war against the German people.
"Jews of the world unite. Boycott German Goods"

I already posted the link before but I'll post it again.
What date does it say on that newspaper?

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=judea+declares+war+on+germany+boycott&biw=2048&bih=1041&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQusXj44zNAhUhMaYKHcSwDVkQ_AUIBigB&gws_rd=ssl#imgrc=_

So if you take this into account, then the actions and timeline you present are not the full story nor a accurate representation of true events, are they not?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 5 June 2016 2:59:22 PM
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#armchair critic

Your Jew-hating credentials are being well and truly exposed as you attempt to re-write history.

You do not dispute anti-Semitism in Germany was state sponsored.

Instead you try to discredit the timeline I provided by stating Hitler was elected Chancellor on 31 January 1933 - which is totally irrelevant.

When Hitler became dictator is what is relevant - which occurred with the passing of the Enabling Act on 24 March 1933.

If you read your own link - it states:

"The Enabling Act (German: Ermächtigungsgesetz) was a 1933 Weimar Constitution amendment that gave the German Cabinet – in effect, Chancellor Adolf Hitler – the power to enact laws without the involvement of the Reichstag. It passed in both the Reichstag and Reichsrat on 24 March 1933, and was signed by President Paul von Hindenburg later that day. The act stated that it was to last four years unless renewed by the Reichstag, which occurred twice. The Enabling Act gave Hitler plenary powers. It followed on the heels of the Reichstag Fire Decree, which abolished most civil liberties and transferred state powers to the Reich government. The combined effect of the two laws was to transform Hitler's government into a de facto legal dictatorship."

Weren't the Jews remarkably prescient in voicing their opposition to Germany's slide into dictatorship? For that they deserved to be slaughtered because they provoked Hitler according to you.

The world paid a huge price for not listening to the Jews right then.

By the way - I note the newspaper headlines refer to "Judea" in the link you provided.

Wasn't that the name of a substantial part of the West Bank for 3000 years before the Arabs changed it to "West Bank" in 1950? It has now become "Occupied Palestinian Territory" where Jews cannot live and the European Union requires products made by Jews to be specially labelled.

Yes - Jew-hatred is alive and kicking today.

Keep trying to justify your Jew-hatred stance - if you dare - with more lies, half-truths and distortions linked to articles that only totally discredit you when read.
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 5 June 2016 5:16:55 PM
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Hi David,
I think its really wrong to try to defame me when I am simply bringing up facts.

I have not commented disrespectfully, non-genuinely, untruthfully, shown hatred or sought to incite it and the substance of the conversation is directly related to the topic given we've already ascertained Israel is actively trying to restrict speech and the content here is obviously an example of what you are suggesting is an example of 'Anti-Semiticism' or 'hate speech'.

I've made clear already that I'm asking you to help me understand how all this works as it doesn't seem to make clear sense to me.
If I am within the law then I should be free to hold an opinion without your continued accusations, intimidation and aggression should I not?

You've been ignoring many of my questions and I can't know what you think I have done wrong if you don't provide me with a clear understanding of how anything I've said on this thread is wrong.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 5 June 2016 6:02:20 PM
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