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Brussels attacks: restrain and rethink : Comments

By Mal Fletcher, published 23/3/2016

Today's events in Brussels also remind us of the failure of political correctness as either a way of thinking or a government policy.

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Grateful,
OK is the IS magazine "Dabiq" a reliable enough source of information on the Jihad against the West? I read every issue online in English and every exhortation the writers make is extensively footnoted by Koranic scripture.
I couldn't care less what Western academics and their students think, as Bazz said, you're irrelevant, soldiers, mercenaries and vigilantes are the ones who'll deal with the terrorists, just as they do in Iraq and Syria.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 27 March 2016 7:28:14 PM
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"...is the IS magazine "Dabiq" a reliable enough source of information..."

No, the imams of IS disagree with grateful's imams on interpretation of the holy books of Islam.

Moderates who reject the primacy of Islam and the subjugation of all other religions to it need to agitate for a book to cover their peculiar situation, and call it the "New Testament" or some such.
Posted by Luciferase, Monday, 28 March 2016 4:30:19 PM
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Another 65 Christians slaughtered by the religion of peace in Pakistan. Not much interest from the left as they can't blame disadvantage or Tony Abbott.
Posted by runner, Monday, 28 March 2016 7:23:33 PM
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Shadow Minister,
My interpretation of your syllogism is as follows:

Most ISIS fighters have received reasonable exposure to Islamic teachings and are committing acts of barbarity in the name of Islam. As a result we can say that the violence finds its inspiration in the teachings of Islam. So it is appropriate to use the term Islamic terrorism.

The conclusion is wrong for two reasons.

Firstly, Islam does not endorse terrorism and opposes it. Terrorism has not been a part of its history nor its teachings. The use of terrorism is a violation of the Sharia’ah. Shayhkh bin Bayyah’s recent "Fatwa on ISIS" is among the many dealing with the issue: http://binbayyah.net/english/2014/09/24/fatwa-response-to-isis/

If the conclusion is wrong then the logic and/or premises are flawed. In this case the logic is flawed.

You are saying, in effect, that we should accept the interpretation of a Muslim (not a novice, but with reasonable exposure to Islam) who is not authorised by any of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence to make fatwas.Would you entrust your health to someone without formal training in medicine? I refer you to the Amman Message which clarifies who is and who is not eligible to be making fatwas: http://www.ammanmessage.com/

cont...
Posted by grateful, Monday, 28 March 2016 9:55:37 PM
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cont..

There also appears to be a double standard here.

Are we to infer from the actions of Christians that Jesus would endorse the spread of Christianity by the sword? ..because that is how Christianity was spread in Europe and Latin America.

The following from is from Christianity Today. referring the the Massacre of Verdun (of the 4,500 Saxon by Charlemagne):

“There's no sense in pretending this was an exceptional missionary tactic; for many centuries, it was the method of choice among Christian rulers and missionaries. The conversion of much of Europe and of Latin America is unimaginable without the sword.” http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-63/conversion-of-vikings-christian-history-interview.html

Bazz holds Charlemagne in high esteem, so lets examine the actions of this goodly Christian king in a bit more detail:

“The Massacre of Verden, or the Bloody Verdict of Verden, was a massacre of Saxons in 782 near the present town of Verden in Lower Saxony, Germany, ordered by Charlemagne during the Saxon Wars. In 782 A.D. some 4,500 Saxon leaders are said to have been beheaded for practicing their indigenous Germanic paganism, having officially, albeit under duress, converted to Christianity and undergone baptism. The river Aller was said to have been flowing red with their blood. Charlemagne's motives were to demonstrate his overlordship and the severity of punishment for rebellion. The effect was that the Saxons lost virtually their entire tribal leadership and were henceforth largely governed by Frankish counts installed by Charlemagne. The Saxon leader, Duke Widukind, had escaped to his in-laws in Denmark, but soon returned. In 785 he, along with his people, was forced to convert to Christianity by Charlemagne.” See Massacre of Verdun: 4,500 Pagans killed: http://www.14words.net/2014/01/massacre-of-verden-4500-pagans-killed.html

This was not an isolated event:

“On the issue of beheading the historian Ramsay MacMullen notes that in 681 a council of bishops at Toledo called on civil authorities to seize and behead all those guilty of non-Christian practices of whatever sort. These massacres were common on both sides throughout the Christianization of Europe, with similar events involving pagan Saxons, Germans and Celts and Christians documented in Britain and Ireland.”

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Posted by grateful, Monday, 28 March 2016 10:07:44 PM
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Charlemagne was familiar with the Bible, as were the clerics that justified his behaviour.

Does that mean the teachings of Jesus are responsible for the murders and forced conversations that they perpetrated?
Posted by grateful, Monday, 28 March 2016 10:14:21 PM
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