This is no better than the pot calling the kettle black! Surely such killing are reprehensible as are all unjustified killing and murderous revenge or just using some fairy tale rantasy, to rob others of their land, homes and livelihoods, and invariably leading to a very slow death for the dispossessed?

The only thing standing four square in the way of a genuine peace process and a two state solution is more new settlements on purloined palestinian land! A dead and innocent civilian is a dead civilian, whether stabbed by someone who believes there's nothing left to lose?

Or just completely impartial Israeli bombs and shells that rain down on the guilty and innocent alike and consequently rip mothers from their children or worse, in quite massive over reaction to mindless provocation.

Stop with the endless prevarication and just do what must be done to end this endless nightmare of an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth revenge madness!

Settle for a deal all sides can live with! It still hasn't been put on the table yet And given the Israeli PM's disposition! Never ever will be?

And sieg hiel to Fuhrer Nethanyahu. You all have a nice day now y'hear.
Rhrosty.

Hi Rhosrty,

I agree: "Stop with the endless prevarication and just do what must be done to end this endless nightmare of an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth revenge madness!"

Then don't start it. Rein Hamas and other extreme right-wing groups in. Not that they would care, since they are using brutality and provocation, and the consequent suffering of 'their own' people, as weapons.

Israel pulled out completely from Gaza some time back as a goodwill gesture, and what did the peace-loving Palestinians do ? Brought in Hamas, an uncivilized bunch of terrorists who want to push all Israelis into the sea. Oops, sorry, only the Jews.

The latest tactic ? Stab old ladies in the back. Blow up children. Real heroes.

Joe

Remember, the Security Council allowed Idi Amin's proposition that Israel be labelled a 'racist state' to pass. The Security Council and the entire United Nations is an evil farce which should be abandoned.

Dear Rhrosty,

Netanyahu is not a Führer, he is powerlessly torn between the demands of Sarah, his wife, for him to remain prime-minister at all costs and the pressures of his far-right coalition-partners that represent the violent Jewish settlers to be far more tough-handed on Palestinians than Israel ever was. Within his coalition he is in fact one of the moderates.

You may in fact be interested to learn that he hinted in his last speech this week in the Knesset that secret negotiations are going on with Arab states (probably Saudi Arabia, though it's premature to tell) that will make it easier for Israel to withdraw. His coalition-partners must be fuming about it.

Neither you nor I nor Netanyahu nor anyone can do anything to stop those Jewish militants creating havoc in the West Bank. Nor can you or I or Netanyahu or anyone make the Palestinians accept the existence of Israel.

This situation unfairly tarnishes Israel's reputation as the people of Israel are themselves victims of both those Jewish militants and of the Palestinian terrorists and murderers which they provoke.

What Israel should do (but alas Netanyahu doesn't have the political strength to do it), is to withdraw to its pre-1967 borders, washing its hands and leaving the settlers and Palestinians on the other side to handle their own affairs, allowing whatever happens between them to happen.

Unfortunately, at this very moment this is not feasible because of the danger that if Israel leaves then the Islamic-State would fill in the space on its other side of the border, but once the Islamic-State is defeated, this plan can go ahead.

If netanyahu is powerless to put a deal on the table that all sides except militant settlers can live with? Nethanyahu needs to just get out of the way and allow those who have the will and resolve to end this nightmare, to just get on an get it done!

I would for example require all jewish persons to undertake military training and duties, this would likely end some of this rubbish, given the hardliners would also be standing in harms way, rather than sending others in to do what they just don't have the bona fide courage to do themselves!

The illegal settlements need to be bulldozed and the land handed back to those folk it was stolen from, and anyone not able to live with this outcome simply deported, and very doable given most of the new settlers are mostly gung ho Landless Americans who are recreating the wild west, replete with mandatory side arms and shoot first lawless thugs and ruffians.

And treated as such! Six shooters not much of a defence against sidewinders that impart a message of implacable resolve that can't be misunderstood!

I agree that Nethanyahu is powerless to do anything more than thump the lectern and say what he'll not do, or how high dear? And as long as he and his hopeless refusal to act far more positively and remains in power, this situation can only worsen?

A man that can't even stand up to a dominating wife is just not the man for the job! Sarah reminds me of a story of early Alaska, where the pioneering men were real men and so were the women.
Rhrosty.

Dear Rhrosty,

Your suggestion to require the settlers to undertake military training and duties is already taken up by them with glee. Giving them training and arms is just what they want and they use every bit of their military positions to achieve their sectarian goals. One of them was recently sentenced to 45 months in prison (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4749001,00.html) for using their access to confidential military data-bases to inform his friends and thwart the authorities' attempts to prevent their atrocities, but many others remain as a fifth-column in the Israeli army, armed to their teeth and uncaught.

You claim it to be "very doable" to remove those settlers, but in fact it isn't, they are more resourceful than you think.

As there is no way to kick them anywhere and as even if they are pushed back into Israel they would create terror and civil war there, my suggestion is for Israel to withdraw but leave them where they are, together with the Palestinians on the other side of a big separating wall, allowing both Jewish and Muslim fanatics to finish off each other.

@ Joe

Oh you Loudmouth you.

"Stab old ladies in the back. Blow up children."

But that's the Middle East on a good day.

Enjoy

Hi Poida,

Well, I didn't want to get too detailed or accurate, and incur the wrath of the anti-Semites - left or extreme right (it's hard to tell the difference these days).

Meanwhile in Syria ......

Shalom,

Joe

I never implied I wanted the new settlers to do military service, just the hard line fundamental Jews, who to date have not only successfully avoided it, but effectively dominate the Israeli parliament!

There seems to be covert acceptance over the theft of palestinian land! Justified by referring to the fable, God gave this land to me?

Even were that able to be indisputably proven? The palestinians have the same ancestral claims to Abraham as their jewish cousins. Comparing their DNA to that of jews proves that the are ethnically related.

I think a civil war is just what Israel needs to prove that she is serious about finally halting the ever growing number of illegal settlements on other folks land.

My money's on the jewish military and aerial supported armor! Plus implacable resolve and no half measures!

These folk are land stealing criminals and deserve to face the same no quarter rough justice, wherein they "acquired" their land!

We in the west beat Germany, italy and Japan in WW11, so why aren't those places jam packed with english speaking conquerors owning selected parcels of land?

For the most fundamental of reasons, a desire to live in enduring peace, and because we didn't try to justify theft with, the medieval nonsense, to the victor goes the spoils!

There are just two stark choices, resolve your differences, no matter how unpalatable the final choices, or just watch as the adversarial conflict grows and widens, with new atrocities occurring every day! Until almost nowhere is safe?

A dividing wall? Didn't the germans try that? Creating a really big gulag in the process; and we all know how well that worked and how it ended!
Rhrosty.

Dear Rhrosty,

<<I never implied I wanted the new settlers to do military service, just the hard line fundamental Jews, who to date have not only successfully avoided it, but effectively dominate the Israeli parliament!>>

Do you mean the Haredim, the only Jewish group in Israel who do not serve in the army? Those Ultra-Orthodox, non-Zionist Jews who distance themselves from the state of Israel? Some of them do not even recognise Israel and identify themselves as Palestinians! Those Jews who only wish to study Torah day and night without interruptions? They aren't settlers, they never harmed a Palestinian and yes, they refuse to go to the army and riot when military-police attempts to arrest one of their young at night (they overturned their police-car and made them escape by foot, hurray!) - but what have you against them? Had you lived in Israel then perhaps you would have some angst against them for not sharing the load of military service, but as you live in Australia, what do you want of them?

They do not dominate the Israeli parliament. They have a handful of members there in coalition (for the opportunistic sake of obtaining public funds for their special schools and for trying to prevent their children from being sent to the army) and these are even more moderate than Netanyahu. OK, so they hold the ministry of health (first time in over 60 years that the Rabbis permitted one of them to become a government-minister) - what's the big deal?

The dividing wall has proven time and again very effective.

Due to that wall, Israel no longer have terrorists and car-bombs exploding in its restaurants, schools and buses. The wall on its Egyptian border prevented not only car-bombs but also half a million African refugees from entering, with many Al-Qaeda and Islamic-State infiltrators hiding among them.

Certainly, the wall is in the wrong place - it should have been situated right over Israel's pre-1967 border rather than where it is now with large segments well inside the West-Bank, but you cannot claim that it isn't effective against terror.

Dear Rhrosty,

So you can eyeball the peaceful Middle East close up we're circulating the cyber collection plate mate and exporting you to Israel/Palestine tomorrah.

We'll drop you in Gaza, West Bank, Israel, Golan Heights, sundry settlements or maybe the south Lebanon free fire zone.

Just pack your chute and the EL AL DC3 will be at your door early.

Cheers

Poida

Yes I do mean the ultra orthodox Jews who to a man are supported by the state.

Yes, they have a small number In the coalition, but given without their current involvement and support, Nethanyahu would be unable to govern, their ultra militant influence and stance far outweighs their (essential to the coalition)numbers on the floor.

And for as long as that influence remains, their hardline refusal to settle for a negotiated two state solution will continue, as will their support for the illegal squatters.

Anywhere else but there squatters are removed for the illegal occupation of other folks property, but in Israel, it's treated as an inalienable right, as is the right to carry and use weapons to defend this illegal occupation.

And only tolerated, given it continues to tilt the vote in favour of the zionists through an immigration (new settlers= new jewish voters) lead gerrymander?

Drop me and my motor bike anywhere you like poida, always providing I am armed with night vision, a dozen RPG's, a 50 cal semi auto gun replete with night vision sights. High powered binoculars and a good topographical map+ sat nav. And a silenced 45 colt semi auto on the hip. Given a chute large enough and the bike and the gear drop in first, I'll touch down like thistledown!

And I'll go anywhere you like and eyeball/video all that there is to see, which will likely change little, given there self evidently no appetite for change by either side.

That might change if America simply just withdrew all moral, financial and material support; until a deal both sides could live with had been nutted out!

As others have noted, there will always be hardliners on both sides, who will never agree to any kind of peace settlement or treaty. and who will need to be treated as a common enemy, even if that means civil war on both sides ot the wall?

I forgot to mention the small drone I'd need to eyeball the lie of the land and the "straw"which I will need to use to top up my canteens.

A rubber hose will be handy for the fuel for the bike.

I'll need to drop in into a sparsely populated area with good natural cover, a nice cave would do.

Other than that, I could halo in from any convenient offshore location, always providing the gear, was packed in watertight containers, with negative buoyancy?

Dear Rhrosty

The good news is we, the Israeli cracken Blitz Sturm Dropers, have upgraded your seating from DC3 to a well used Herc.

All of your RPGs, 50 cal heavy machine gun, night vision goggles and essential 45 colt semi auto have been packed into a handy light tank.

Bad news is we drop the tank, and you in it, from a great height or a hard landing from a low height - as this Israeli Sturm Dropper training film demonstrates https://youtu.be/1izGSMKqskY .

Thankyou for volunteering for IDF Crash Test Dummy.

You Righteous Genital you.

As-salamu alaykum

Poida

Another clear, simple and accurate statement of fact and the current intractable situation. An excellent article stating the 'bleeding obvious'. Truly, the UN the worst problem the Palistinians have to contend with.

What a typical load of Pro-Jewish David Singer excrement.

"If you Palestinians be peaceful and don't complain while we take your land and exploit everything you have then we will 'pretend' that there's a '2 state solution' and we won't treat you so badly."

"If you see through our plan and rise up against us we will just pull away from the 'pretense' of a '2 state solution' and we will blame it all on you, then we will use your terrorist actions (opposing our occupation) as justification to commit even more atrocities upon you while we take your land and exploit you anyway."

Isn't that how it really works David you poor deluded imbecile?
Who are you really trying to fool/convince?
Yourself maybe?

Hear, hear, Armchair critic, someone not afraid to call it as it is and as plain as the nose on your face!

Pete, It's a long time since I sat in the back of a C130 heading north. Reminiscing about the official obituary notice and the mock funeral that made it seem more real, and very real for a weeping fiance!

The things we do in the name Queen and country. And like every other bloke, I was shiite scared and even more so, when the later APC came under fire.

So scared in fact I started to laugh like a madman with every near miss. I guess it was around then all the other blokes thought I was mad. And I was, but not mad enough to jump anywhere from a very low level for anyone!

It's not the fall that hurts, just the sudden stop at the bottom.

Great height works well for me if I have my tanks and pure O2 laced with helium and an altimeter controlled, chute that opens automatically. Free falling may be fun for some, but not for me ever!

A successful mission is one where you get in collect the intell and get out again with nobody cottoning on to the fact you were ever there. Even more so when it's your so called friends!

The munitions used only as a last no other option resort to create a diversion! A burning munitions dump or fuel depot is usually enough to concentrate the minds of potential pursuers

Dropping in always the easy part! Even so, a bike with a thousand kilometre range on a single tankful, is a lot easier than slogging through tropical forest or mountainous country, all while trying to remain invisible! No names no pack drill.
Rhrosty.

Hi Rhrosty

Sounds like you've had a varied life.

I'm glad they didn't fire an RPG7 at your APC.

Cheers :)

Pete

#Rhrosty

Your attempt to equate murder of innocent civilians with innocent civilian lives lost during a war is rejected.

You seem to be unable to grasp that Jews have every right to live in their biblical, ancestral and legally sanctioned homeland called Judea and Samaria on land purchased by them from Arab vendors or on State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes

Take off your Jew-hating blinkers and educate yourself on the facts. Yes Arabs have claims too but they want every square inch - hardly the stuff that negotiations can ever hope to achieve. They had it all between 1948-1967 after they drove out all the Jews living there and did nothing to create the State they say they now want in 2016.

The two-state solution being negotiated between Israel and the PLO to achieve that State between Israel and Jordan for the last 23 years is dead and buried.

The two-state solution between Jordan and Israel dividing sovereignty of Judea and Samaria between them waits patiently on the sidelines as the only possible solution to resolve the 100 years ongoing conflict between Arabs and Jews.

#Yuyutsu

Lots of words but none condemning the murder of civilians in Israel by Arabs. Your relatives are in line for such attacks. Shame on you for remaining silent.

#plantaganet

Stabbing old ladies in the back should not happen in the Middle East or anywhere else and you should be condemning such acts as murder pure and simple and those who do so as murderers.
Doing a "Ban ki-Moon" does not sit well with you.

#Prompete

Pity the likes of # Rhrosty, Yuyutsu and plantaganet are not prepared to address the issues raised in my articles. Their asinine comments only destroy their own credibility. Facts obviously mean nothing to them.

#Armchair Critic
Care to provide the facts to substantiate your claim (made twice)that the land comprised in Judea and Samaria is owned by the Palestinian Arabs?

Your crude language and ad hominem attack only serves to show your inability to really rebut or rationally discuss anything in my article.

Have sense of humour Singer

You seem to attack any who bother to comment on your repeditive articles - not knowing friends, enemies of neutrals - then alienating all.

Don't bother writing more Netanyahu puff pieces.

Dear David,

<<Lots of words but none condemning the murder of civilians in Israel by Arabs. Your relatives are in line for such attacks.>>

Sharks, lions, crocodiles, snakes, spiders, they all bite because it's their nature to do so: what's the point in condemning them?

Of course one needs to do what they can to defend oneself and one's family from their attacks and few want so more than myself as my relatives live within their range, but trying instead to appeal to their missing conscience would be as futile as pleading with a crocodile.

In my response to Rhrosty I mentioned the wall as one very effective tool to protect my relatives:

"Due to that wall, Israel no longer have terrorists and car-bombs exploding in its restaurants, schools and buses. The wall on its Egyptian border prevented not only car-bombs but also half a million African refugees from entering, with many Al-Qaeda and Islamic-State infiltrators hiding among them."

I want this wall strengthened and completed, further isolating the citizens of Israel from Arab attacks, but it seems that you don't like this wall (have you ever mentioned it at all? I checked this and your previous 10 articles, but found no mention of it!). Is it perhaps because you don't want Israel to be defined by a border? Is it perhaps because you care not at all for the state of Israel and its people, only for the expansionist interests of your Jewish sect, expecting the citizens of Israel, my family included, to fulfil them with their blood rather than yours?

Pay attention to Yuyutsu's questions Singer.

You talk about Rhrosty and "Jew hating". But fact is your self-righteous tone gets people angry

- angry towards you and your poorly communicated causes.

#plantagenet

You state:
"Have a sense of humour Singer"
Murder is not a subject that lends itself to humour. Diverting attention from my article is also not funny.

My article states:
"Failing again to call such stabbings, vehicle rammings and other targeted attacks on Israeli civilians as “murder” - was reprehensible.

I ask you : are you prepared to call such acts "murder" and those who perpetrate them as "murderers"?

I did regard you as a neutral - but no longer if you do not reply "yes"

You further state:
"Don't bother writing more repetitive Netanyahu puff pieces"

With respect it is none of your business to tell me what I should write about. If you find my articles not to your liking then don't read them.

#Yuyutsu

We are not talking about sharks, lions, spiders, snakes and crocodiles. We are talking about human beings taking the lives of other human beings by stabbing, vehicle rammings and other targeted attacks.

I therefore ask you - as I asked #plantaganet: are you prepared to call the stabbings, vehicle rammings and other targeted attacks "murder" and those who perpetrate them as "murderers"?

I am not appealing to the murderer's conscience as those committing these murders do not have a conscience. I am appealing to yours.

I do not intend to respond to your comments made to #Rhrosty regarding the security barrier ( incorrectly called "the wall" by you) as I have made it clear on many occasions that I will only reply to comments that relate directly to the article in question.

In response to your direct question as to whether I have mentioned the security barrier in any of my articles - the short answer is "yes".

You just haven't gone back far enough in your research.

#plantaganet (again)

People get angry when they cannot dispute facts that deny their wild and unsubstantiated claims. Then ad hominem attacks and personal vilification becomes their line of attack - a complete waste of time and space.

Their conduct is consistent and predictable and their "Jew-hatred" is out there for all to see.

OK D. Singer

Yes.

And I won't add a moderate voice which has protected you from some anti-Semites again.

Pete

Reacting to 'hollow threats' can never justify the murder of ANY civilians in their own homes, shopping in supermarkets, meeting in bars, or waiting at bus stops.

There. Fixed that for you singer.

Giday mikk - Mossad-Israeli NSA ops against the EU.

Some good points.

We all tolerate David's articles bemoaning EU trade policies identifying Israeli goods.

Well as one does one hears about joint Mossad, Israeli NSA ops to bug the conference rooms of enemies of Israel.

In that regard - seems Mossad-Israeli NSA has been bugging a conference room at EU HQ in Brussels, Belgium, last month.

Naughty naughty.

Looks like high and mighty propagandists for Israel need to think again.

Here's an overt report http://intelnews.org/2016/02/15/01-1859/

Cheers

Pete

Hi Pete,

" .... one does one hears about joint Mossad, Israeli NSA ops to bug the conference rooms of enemies of Israel."

No ! That such wickedness could be !

Do you really think there isn't some sort of 'gentlemen's agreement', that nobody should pulls the walls apart for bugs ? Don't you think that every word, gesture, fart, wouldn't be recorded and analysed by every power involved in every conference and especially in every 'frank discussion' ?

Such innocence ! Very touching, really, that there is such purity and naivete still exists in the world. Makes me tear up. Ah, yesterdays !

Joe

Giday Joe

Not shocked at all matey.

Just casting a practiced eye over a failed Israeli opertion.

Rule 1 "Don't get caught." Though fellow travellers may try to diminish and deflect.

This failure is embarrassing for Netanyahu and his intelligence services.

Bleatings by Mr Singer that the EU is discriminating against, Israeli goods labelling and all that, out of anti-Semitism, can be met with "Your Israeli agents spied on us in EU-Brussels".

On account of Snowden's revelations, and even closer to home, bugging is a tender subject - as I'm sure you'll understand.

#plantaganet

Thank you for your response.

Guess I will just have to deal with the anti-Semites myself without your help.

Hope you don't engage them again in any idle chatter as well. People get defined by the people they keep company with.

#mikk

Thank you for your comment.

Not sure what you mean by "hollow threats" but never mind - your agreement that killing civilians in their own homes, shopping in supermarkets, meeting in bars, or waiting at bus stops is murder - is appreciated.

#plantaganet

You are at it again - trying to divert attention from the subject matter of my article.

Does that mean you agree with everything I have written - that you don't like what I have said but cannot criticise my facts or conclusions - so you decide to divert any discussion by raising another topic irrelevant to the content of my article - designed to denigrate and discredit Israel?

Guess I am now really happy you are not going to protect me against the anti-Semites who engage in precisely the same conduct.

Dear David,

<<I therefore ask you - as I asked #plantaganet: are you prepared to call the stabbings, vehicle rammings and other targeted attacks "murder" and those who perpetrate them as "murderers"?>>

Why should I call them anything? Those who perpetrate those acts should not be called, but killed - then I suppose you may call them "corpses".