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Critique of Labor and the Greens on 'policy compromise' : Comments

By Tristan Ewins, published 30/12/2015

Should the ALP Socialist Left work for co-operation with the Greens – or should the ALP Socialist Left fight them tooth and nail?

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Tristan,
You've got to get past this idea that we're "Far right", it's untenable and it's hurting your cause, the media only report the information fed to them by Jeff and Rob Sparrow and their ANTIFA network and they have their own agenda.
Go to a UPF rally and see for yourself, we're all about uniting the working classes, integration is a key talking point as is respecting the diginity of ethnic minorities as long as it's a two way street.
Like it or not spreading Islam is a part of the globalist-capitalist program, as long as the Muslim "community" leaders continue to rent seek and co-operate with the Liberals and capitalists they're a target.
(On a side note maybe the election of Sheik Abdul Salam Zoud to the post of Grand Mufti of Australia would be a good thing as he'd be less likely to tolerate the opportunistic lickspittles and rent seekers)
We're anti war, pro worker, pro union, anti globalist and the core group have said straight up, if another party comes along and satisfies the requirements of the working and marginalised people they'll subordinate themseleves to that cause.
Labor isn't doing enough, it has no activist base willing to engae with un-educated people and worst of all it co-operates with people who actively espouse class and racial hatred toward the majority White working class (and especially the marginalised "Bogans")
If you had your finger on the pulse you'd be aware of the origins of the "neo Nazis" and various "Far Right" wreckers, they're creations of the Liberal party, names have been named, all you have to do is go looking for the information.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 1 January 2016 11:06:28 AM
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Ok Jay a few questions.

Why oppose the construction of a mosque in Bendigo when Muslims make up a small minority and it is a matter of their liberal rights?

Why fight for 'the right to bear arms' when we see where that's lead in the US? And when the formation of paramilitary formations has threatened civil wars in the past? (including in Australia during the Great Depression)

Why harass Jewish people when you claim you have nothing to do with Nazism?

see: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/farright-group-upf-plans-to-run-for-senate-and-campaign-on-right-to-bare-arms-20150911-gjk73n.html

BTW: I don't like the term 'bogan' either ; Its a loaded, class-based term of contempt ; There are 'lumpens' who have reactionary politics, yes. But there are double standards when it comes to class-based putdowns as well.
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Friday, 1 January 2016 11:54:29 AM
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Tristan,

Atrocities on a grand scale were committed not just by Stalin, but by Lenin, Brezhnev, Mao, Castro, in North Korea, Vietnam, and pretty much every Marxist state. This runs with endemic corruption, nepotism etc.

Noticeably workers are abandoning corrupt unions in Aus and most developed countries.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 1 January 2016 12:03:51 PM
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Tristan,
The issue of the Bendigo Mosque has a broader context, it goes to the issue of deeply entrenched regional "aristocracies",the virtual ALP hegemony in the Bendigo electorate, perceptions of a conflict of interest on the part of councillors and new resident vs old tensions.
Bendigo is a deeply divided community, it has been as long as I can remember and I grew up in the district, the Mosque is just a lightning rod for dissent and old enmities at this point in time.
The UPF being politically motivated are wisely using the controversy to anchor their movement in a physical space and a particular time period, Bendigo is their Red Ribbon Rebellion, so to speak.

The "right to bear arms" is as far as I can tell just another talking point, an attack strategy to upset Liberals and Leftists and to attract more of the Sporting Shooters type voters, the UPF intend to absorb all those smaller parties so it makes sense.

I don't know what you mean by harassment of Jews, the UPF won't allow people to fly the Israeli flag at their rallies but they don't demand that it be removed from Reclaim Australia events.
Are you referring to the Anti Semitic leaflet drops in Bondi in 2013 and 2014? If so the UPF was not even formed until May 2015 and in any case the culprits in those incidents in NSW "Squadron 88" were exposed as Liberal party operators run from the Penrith branch.

Bianca Hall, Ruby Hamad and the person writing under the pseudonym "Luke McMahon" source all their information from the Sparrows and their ANTIFA network who are known pranksters and mischief makers. As I said, as self styled "Anarchists" they have their own agenda and there's always been considerable crossover between that milieu and the state security services, as revealed by Alex Gollan during his child pornography and pedophile grooming trial.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 1 January 2016 1:27:24 PM
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Tristan Ewins, "Why fight for 'the right to bear arms' when we see where that's lead in the US?"

A politician such as yourself would cynically ignore the facts: that gun crime and serious crime with weapons is black on black and gang and drug related.

It is a social problem made worse by ill-conceived social policies driven by ideology.

Australian federal government should be very careful not to create similar conditions here.

If you move on to 'mass homicides' in the US, outside of terrorism (where ill-conceived social policies such as diversity through immigration are also implicated), mass homicides are very few in number and while horrendous to us are statistically insignificant in a population of 320 million.
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 1 January 2016 2:20:52 PM
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Jay - it sounds pretty cynical re: your pitch to shooters ; And the old tensions you refer to - I don't know what they are - But how is a mosque relevant to them? But anyway the size of the rallies in Bendigo - and the fact that so many were brought in from outside - tends to suggest you've not been successful.

Shadow Minister: Yes terrible things have been done in the name of Marxism. But my position has developed from a 'democratic marxist' perspective ; and today perhaps even 'post marxist' positions ; Whatever Stalin and Mao did that should not be taken to discredit Kautsky, Luxemburg, Bernstein, the Austro-Marxists etc. And Mouffe and Laclau have had important insights into the failings of prior Marxisms.

Lenin and Trotsky at least need to be considered in the light of what they were trying to do ; and the objective circumstances they faced. Their policies developed in the context of war, civil war, starvation, fuel shortages, millions freezing to death... That said Kautsky, Luxemburg, Abramovitch , Martov etc were all democratic Marxists who had telling points against the strategies of Lenin and Trotsky... But when judging Lenin be sure to judge the Great Powers and their leaders that sent the world into the Hell of WWI - without which Lenin's revolution never would have happened.

North Korea is like a hereditary despotic monarchy... Certainly it has very little at all to do with what Marx envisaged....
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Friday, 1 January 2016 2:23:10 PM
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