Passy.
Delusional, elitist, bourgeois wittering. The UPF threaten only your privilege and your livelihood, when you're thrown down out of the middle class and have to subsist on mimimum wage like my wife and I do, when your combined income drops from 110 to 35 thousand and you find yourself competing with foreign students and asylum seekers working illegally for $4 an hour then you might see things differently.
In the real world your unions are over run with gangsters and bikies who extort and stand over workers, your Labor party is in bed with property developers and your street movement is dependant on free public transport and Police escorts just to get to rallies and would fall apart if not for the handouts from those same corrupt unions an bourgeois political parties.

Tooth and nail. The greens and labor left have little if any common ground.

Labor should preference anybody else! If only to stop the anti development anti well paid jobs greens, winning traditional labor seats with labor preferences!

But for the greens and their mindless intransigence, we could have had a flourishing oil industry to our immediate north, which according to some analysts, may hold more hydrocarbons than the entire middle east!?

And nowhere have they demonstrated that the reef was actually more threatened by drilling, than from the tanker traffic that brings in the dirtier costlier oil, we must therefore import.

In fact, given the nature of our, almost ready to use as is, traditional sweet light crude, and producing less than half the carbon production in common use; and given it's carbon destroying the reef, the lesser of two evils.

A day will dawn in around fifteen or so years when electric cars, with better low cost batteries will replace the conventional motor vehicle.

Till then we pragmatists, should mine the reef for its probable bonanza of much lower carbon oil and gas.

Gas being prefered, given methane will run ceramic fuel cells, with their 80% energy coefficient, Produce endless free hot water and the world's least costly electricity( cheap coal fired power having just 20%) and produce mostly water vapor s the exhaust product.

Yes they may look similar, but these two parties are not even alike in any sense of the word. We would create the jobs needed for true social justice, the greens on the other hand think they can manage with a few tourists and the very low paid servile seasonal jobs they produce; and the printing presses? Insanity versus pragmatism. Hopefully, occasionally.
Rhrosty.

Jay expresses the fear of the middle class and the despair of the working class that Hitler played upon so well in his rise to power and his smashing of trade unions and political organisations of the left that were the defensive organs of the working class. It was this criminalisation of organisations and imprisonment of communists, socialists, ALP types and trade unionists in the first concentration camps in Germany that enabled Hitler to cut wages by up to 50% and restore German profit rates. No point in debating an out and out fascist driven by the failures of capitalism and the tragedy of loss of economic wellbeing. His situation just highlights the failure of the left to have built an alternative that is big enough to attract those workers subject to the crimes capitalism is and will commit against them. That failure in part is because of the ongoing attraction to some of Labor as a party of progressive change and their illusions in its ability to deliver real change for workers.

Rhosty,
"Labor should preference anybody else! If only to stop the anti development anti well paid jobs greens, winning traditional labor seats with labor preferences"
Do you even know how the preferential voting system works? In traditional Labor seats (as well as everywhere else) Labor preferences aren't activated unless and until the Labor candidate has already been eliminated.

The stereotype of Greens as "anti development anti well paid jobs" doesn't have much basis in reality. If you think the Greens policies are worse than everyone else's than by all means put them last, but please do so according to actual policies rather than your prejudice.

"But for the greens and their mindless intransigence, we could have had a flourishing oil industry to our immediate north, which according to some analysts, may hold more hydrocarbons than the entire middle east!?"
We do, in the Timor Sea. Though an enormous oil spill a few years ago shows that having much much tougher environmental standards from the start would have made our oil industry more lucrative as well as less environmentally destructive.

"And nowhere have they demonstrated that the reef was actually more threatened by drilling, than from the tanker traffic that brings in the dirtier costlier oil, we must therefore import. In fact, given the nature of our, almost ready to use as is, traditional sweet light crude, and producing less than half the carbon production in common use; and given it's carbon destroying the reef, the lesser of two evils."

All that "sweet light crude" under the Great Barrier Reef is a figment of your overactive imagination indulging in some very wishful thinking! No oil of any sort has ever been discovered under the Great Barrier Reef, though there has previously been oil exploration there. According to most analysts, it's too young to have oil under it.

What analysts Aidan? Where did you find these dills. Most thinking people today realise oil is part of our geology, & nothing to do with dead dinosaurs, or buried vegetable matter.

The reef is merely a 10,000 years old bit of stuff, growing on billions of year old hills, drowned at the end of the last ice age.

As for no oil. it is percolating out of the ground for 500 kilometres of the Queensland coast. Even your make believe experts should be able to interoperate this as an oil source below.

Perhaps they think Captain Cook's Endeavour has leaky engines, & left it when passing.

Hasbeen, of course oil is part of our geology. And like many other parts of our geology, it formed in specific conditions. It's the result of buried vegetable matter (algae) from the time of the dinosaurs (when the hot conditions favoured algae at the expense of other marine organisms).

Searches for oil based on that theory of its origin often find oil. Searches based on alternative hypotheses, looking in places the accepted theory says oil would not be, never find oil.

As for oil percolating out of the seabed, I understand that happens off the coast of WA but not Queensland. Queensland's oil slicks originate from 20th and 21st century boats.