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//But now we have Toni advocating the use of nukes, a novel approach which will strongly appeal to the brain-dead.//

And my work here is done.

Poe's Law: without a clear indicator of the author's intent, parodies of extreme views will, to some readers, be indistinguishable from sincere expressions of the parodied views.

Perhaps if we could avoid the personal attacks, we may be able to seriously deal with this crucial topic.

OF COURSE, war is dreadful, it should never be initiated to resolve differences. But once a regime has initiated a war, against another country or against their own citizens, then what are the innocent citizens of the other country, or of one's own country, supposed to do ? Lie down and take whatever comes ?

No, David. People have the right to fight back: aggression cannot be allowed to prevail. During the 2nd World War, if Australian troops had not been sent to Libya, the Germans could well have taken Egypt and the Suez Canal. If we had not sent troops to Papua-New Guinea, the Japanese would have taken Port Moresby and from there, an easy step for their navy to invade the east coast of Australia.

Are you suggesting that we should have let such aggression happen ? That Nazism and fascism should not have been opposed ? That Russia should not have resisted the Nazis ? That the US should have stayed out of the 2nd world War ?

Yes, war is nasty, it's terrible, it is so destructive. But once someone has started a war of aggression, the only course is to oppose it, until the bitter end. Yes, many fine people get killed in wars, and it is fitting that we should never forget them.

I worked at the Sunday markets and an old bloke used to shuffle around from stall to stall. He use to be the manager of the State Abattoirs, he said, But eventually, he told us that he had been at Kokoda all through 1942, climbing up almost sheer slopes with 30-kg back-packs, in desert uniforms that were falling apart, sometimes only a few feet from the Japanese. Now that was a generation of heroes for us to be truly proud of.

Can you understand that ?

Joe

Joe, I have never argued against the involvement of the Allies in WW2 (even though the U.S. entered the conflict two years after it started).

But America, being an opportunist nation, when the war ended, decided it was all powerful and had some mandate to rule the world. All the crap about being indispensable and exceptional and being the greatest nation in the history of the world is just that: CRAP.

But, in order to gain world domination, America had to conquer certain nations which didn't share American interests like infinite greed and war for plunder.

That is why the world has not seen peace since the end of WW2 and, given the callous, brutal, deranged imperial agenda of America, it's not likely to either.

That's why I despair when I see people like you and the toadying Australian Government seemingly giving Big Brother U.S. unqualified support when what it deserves is infinite condemnation.

That's why people like Planter and Singer are so dangerous because they accept war, encourage it, believe that it is a normal activity for humans to engage in.

When the nukes start falling, perhaps commonsense will enter the minds of those who think war is some kind of game and chatting about this weapon and that is what intelligent people should do!

Intelligent people hate war and those who promote it!

Hi David,

As you say, 'Intelligent people hate war and those who promote it!'

BUT, when innocent people are attacked, what should anyone do ? When entire religious or ethnic minorities are persecuted and slaughtered, do we all sit back ? Or do we just snipe and go off-topic ?

Of course, the suggestion of using nuclear weapons was a joke, nobody in their right mind would support that. Not with Iran and Pakistan (and possibly Saudi Arabia) and Israel possessing them. So let's put that right out of our minds.

By definition, wars are unjust and unnecessary, politics by other means. BUT, if one nation or group uses brute force against another without cause, then the nation or group attacked has the right to defend itself.

Isn't that so ? And, please, no going off-topic :)

Joe

But Joe, the Americans are not innocent people.

They are professional warmongers who employ war so they can plunder nations that have scarce resources and gain strategic advantage over nations that threaten America's interests.

America's prime interest (or more correctly, the interest of American Oligarchs and Corporations and Politicians) is in gaining domination over the world so that 1% of its population can continue to milk the world and live a lavish lifestyle.

To this end, America will attack anyone and everyone who offers resistance to its grand plan which no one except 1% of Americans want.

America is a malignancy which is slowly but surely destroying our world and any possibility of peace!