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Russia and America must jointly confront Islamic State : Comments

By David Singer, published 21/9/2015

American and Russian distrust of the other's possible motives in Syria were successfully put aside when they co-operated to have all chemical weapons in Syria held by Assad and his opponents destroyed.

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" However Allah saved Prophet Jesus . " surely the son of Maryam ) will descend amongst you as a just ruler. He will destroy the cross, kill the swine and abolish the tax."

. He asked, "What are you talking about?" ," He then mentioned the Smoke, the Dajjal, the Beast, the Rising of the Sun in its place of setting, "

The Dajjal (anti-christ) having failed to enter the holy city of Madinah will proceed to Syria gathering his forces on the way.

Prophet Jesus Peace be upon him will descend to the white Minaret (Nawwas-b-Samaan/Muslim) in the east of Damascus, wearing two garments died with saffron, placing his hands on the wings of two angels.
'' The gate will be opened and the Dajjal will be waiting behind it accompanied by an army of 70,000 Jews, each armed with a sword and shield. '' He will catch up with him at the Eastern gate of Ludd (Ludd is a mountain in Syria. Some say that it is a village in Jerusalem, and some say that it is a village in Palestine
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 21 September 2015 6:01:56 PM
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Hi Nick,

Good luck with that.

Pete, yes, the two issues - how to defeat ISIS; and more urgently, but more futilely, how to stop the flow of Syrians to Europe.

Germany's generosity in the past few weeks may help to massively boost the next wave of refugees and economic migrants, at least until Winter catches up with them in three or four weeks, poor bastards.

But even Germany's generosity and physical capabilities are hitting limits. So Germany is considering joining the war against ISIS in Syria. We tend to forget that ISIS controls territory about as big as NSW, and has an army bigger than Australia's, an army of psychotics. So the necessary war, the vitally necessary war, will still take years.

So meanwhile, the unstoppable bullet of migration will keep hitting the impenetrable wall of Europe's generosity limits. I fear that many tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of people are going to be caught out in the fields of central Europe at Winter sets in, with many of the vulnerable, old and young, dying.

Wow, plenty of scope there for the Lefts' Gramscian 'march through the institutions', the destabilisation and destruction of the capitalist West.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 21 September 2015 8:06:27 PM
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Hi Joe

If ISIS was beaten then there are many:

- other Sunni extremists in other groups to replace them

- other moderate Sunnis who need protecting from Shiite Armies and militia in/from Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon

- Kurds who will still need Western air support

All of this fighting displaces people in Syria and Iraq - increasing refugee numbers from now till after Winter and throughout 2016

Germany's generosity may have made things worse because 100,000s beyond the 800,000 German quota now have their hopes up

German jets adding to the bombing will do nothing.

Western troops-boots on the ground will do nothing in such a big war except to turn moderate Muslims into extremists fighting Western troops. Same with Russians, Chinese or UN troops

Best thing may be to:

- keep the jet and UAV bombing up mainly in support of the Kurds, and destruction of ISIS

- while protecting and feeding refugees who need to be kept in their camps
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 21 September 2015 10:44:38 PM
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Keep on bombing all and sundry and put the refugees into camps, says our Planter. Sounds like a brilliant move, one that will surely win the peace.

But, consider this, to warmongers, every weapon must be fired, every bomb must be dropped, every depleted uranium munition must be deployed, every white phosphorous explosive needs a target, every cluster bomb needs a village to destroy, every drone must be given a target, etc, etc.

Warmongers are amoral. They belong in an earlier century. Let's bury them in unmarked graves!

Their very existence puts the world at risk!
Posted by David G, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 5:22:17 PM
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Giday David G

So we agree:

"Keep on bombing all and sundry and put the refugees into camps, says our Planter. Sounds like a brilliant move, one that will surely win the peace."

and I never thought you were capable...
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 5:41:22 PM
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Hi David,

So, when ISIS bursts out of Syria and seizes territory, captures tens of thousands of (as they see it, unbelievers), rapes and sells into slavery god knows how many women, you suggest that we should sit back and do nothing ? This is the best advice that the pseudo-left can offer, to roll over and open our legs to ISIS ?

Do you think that ISIS wouldn't use every one of those dreadful weapons that you describe ?

Yes, yes, war is terrible, it's so nasty, it's so bad and naughty. Most of us would agree. But some of us - not necessarily, it seems, on the part of the pseudo-left - would suggest that aggression has to be combatted, that fascist aggression especially has to be fought unto the death.

I'm puzzled why the pseudo-left think they are so superior that they will be able, as they see it, to use fascists like ISIS, and then take over. NO, little brother, they will use you and then drop you into their mincing machines. Goodbye :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 5:46:25 PM
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