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On Iran would you believe 340 rabbis or 200 generals? : Comments

By David Singer, published 7/9/2015

The considered opinion of 200 retired generals and admirals cannot be brushed off with a deafening silence from President Obama – nor can those 340 rabbis.

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Geoff of Perth:

"Israel is an Apartheid State facilitating genocide on the Palestinians in Gaza"

This is such a tired old line. Care to provide your evidence to these claims? Or are you just saying it because it's fashionable?

"Israel meddles in U.S. Politics for the good of Israel, no one else"

Here's a secret: many, many countries try to influence other countries’ policies for their own benefit. But don’t tell anyone.

"Who is the biggest threat to any lasting peace in the Middle East? Well it's obvious, Israel of course"

Well of course! Does any half decent anti-Semite really doubt this? Let's review the historical evidence:

- Israel was the driving force behind the Egypt-Yemen war in the 1960s
- It was Israel who started the war between Iran and Iraq way back in 1980
- Israel convinced Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait in the first Gulf war
- Israel was responsible for the bloody fighting in Tunisia during the so-called Arab Spring
- And in Libya
- It was Israel who orchestrated the violence in Egypt - the struggle between the army and the Moslem Brotherhood
- Israel started the Syrian civil war
- And again, not satisfied with the war in Syria, Israel tricked the Arabs into a civil war in Iraq
- And Bahrain
- And Yemen
- Turkey bombings of the PKK was instigated by Israel
- Lastly, let's not forget the pressure Israel is applying on poor Iran to oppress its own population.

Yes, I can definitely see where you're coming from. Take Israel out of the Middle East and the above conflicts would never have happened.

"Truth be told, Iran would be a much better country had the U.S. (Zionist orchestrated) coup in the 1950's not occurred"

Zionist orchestrated? Just how paranoid are you about Jews? Care to elaborate on the alleged Zionist involvement?

"Israel is a pariah State, as illegitimate as the day it was created"

Why exactly is Israel illegitimate? Why was the actual day illegitimate, unlike any other day?
Note: "just because I say so" is not a valid reason.
Posted by Avw, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 9:28:22 PM
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#ybgirp

You forgot to mention some further differences between America and Iran:

America has freedom of speech
Iran does not - taking reprisals against individuals for contact with international human rights organizations and UN human rights mechanisms.

In America journalists and bloggers (like you bygirp) are free to spew out their vitriol and Jew-hatred.
In Iran at least 13 journalists and bloggers have been arrested or detained since July 2014. As of December 2014, 30 journalists were detained, despite the release of at least eight journalists since July 2014 upon completion of their prison sentences. Charges include vaguely worded “national security" crimes, such as “propaganda against the system,” “assembly and collusion against the system,” “insulting the Supreme Leader,” and “spreading falsehoods with intent to agitate the public consciousness.”

America does not employ oppressive policies against gays
Iran does

America gave $408 million to UNWRA last year providing relief to Palestinian Arab refugees on its books
Iran gave $0

America gave $0 to Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad
Iran gave unquantified miltary and financial aid to these terrorist organisations

America has given $992 million to the UNHCR to 23 June 2015
Iran has given $0 and does not even rate a mention in the UNHCR report.

In America freedom of religion is permitted
In Iran The Office of Religious Minorities is charged with coordinating and overseeing all ceremonies held by religious minorities, including activities for the observance of religious holidays. Permission from the Ministry must be obtained in order to issue publications, and for foreign missionaries travel at the request of churches and religious councils.

Your prejudices certainly do you no credit

BTW - please show me any statement made by me to support your following claim:
"Mr Singer, is constantly saying Iran must be bombed"

In the absence of any such evidence - please withdraw your claim and unconditionally apologise.
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:48:36 AM
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You know I think its amusing.
The way the pro-Israel folk scream anti-semite at any criticism of Israel.

You make yourselves look real pathetic because as far as I can see the criticism we put forward is genuinely warranted.

The only logical explanation is that you guys are mentally retarded in some way.

You carry on like a bunch of girls simply because someone else says something you don't agree with.

Geoff said it perfectly "I sleep well at night knowing I do not support murderers from either side"

You want to argue, then argue the documents I posted on the other thread.

I think its fairly obvious who is behind the mess.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 3:06:15 PM
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David, Human rights and democratic organisations are just front groups for foreigners who wish to destabilize the country.

And on face value, I wouldn't trust either side on the subject or Iran.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 3:24:02 PM
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Armchair Critic:

It might be easy to assume that anyone who does not agree with you is mentally retarded, but the logical explanation is far simpler. In his posts, your comrade, Geoff of Perth, makes a plethora of outrageous claims, yet provides no evidence to back them up, which is exactly what I was pointing out in my post. I notice that still, neither you nor Geoff, have addressed any of my points.

Frankly I could not care less whether Geoff sleeps peacefully at night, that’s for him to know and for me not to care about, although if I had to guess he is quite likely haunted every night by images of Zionists and/or Jews gathering at that cemetery in Prague and plotting to destroy his imaginary perfect world.
Posted by Avw, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 8:01:29 PM
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G'day Avw

I think the International Jewish Conspiracy, and the RSPCA, will need to give one syllable commands to Armchair Critic.

He's special.
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 8:12:15 PM
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