WollyB

Look, I ignored your last post, because I can't be bothered arguing with people who bring up all those bigoted, distorted arguments from these ultra-conservative women who have carved careers for themselves by slagging feminism.

Ultimately, the money trail leads all the way back to ultra-conservative US lobby groups such as the Heritage and Olin Foundations, who have been the main financiers of the very lucrative anti-feminism industry and have made their agenda very well known about where women belong.

And don't get me started on the truly awful Erin Pizzey. She was brutally beaten by both her mother and father, but for reasons best known to her, decided to blame it all on Mum. A lot of her anecdotes about being hounded and violently persecuted by feminist banshees are more a product of her Mummy-rage and febrile fantasies than anything resembling reality. I used to read her Cosmopolitan articles as a teenager back in the 1980s and she was so embarrassingly earth-motherish, I even remember her criticising women for wearing tampons.

<let alone the minority male victims.
<Posted by Killarney, Sunday, 8 March 2015 8:24:08 PM

When it comes to being killed or severely injured by domestic violence of course males will make up the minority.

However domestic violence definitions, are expand far from the purely physical injuries, to include activity such as emotional abuse and manipulation. Financial abuse, to controlling some one with sex.

An intriguing conversation I had tonight with one individual was about what happened with Russian brides, and the scam that they ran on unsuspecting men.

Demands by these women included things like mobiles phones not only for themselves but their children as well, a computer and internet, credit cards and a few other luxuries, failure to comply resulted in sexual withdrawal.

The usual trend was after a 18 months and usually a child (possibly sired by the male) and then allegations of domestic violence, resulting in the male being moved out of the house he once owned.

One bloke I know, had 60k in the bank and owned his own house, so he lost the lot and has to pay child support.

Craig

'Sheesh, you girls are so defensive it's like trying to have a conversation with a cactus.'

I am a grown woman, not a girl. How would you feel if I referred to you as a 'boy'?

And you are not having a 'conversation'. You are having a political discussion - which inevitably involves strong opinions and viewpoints. By degrading those opinions and viewpoints by using terms such as 'dogma' and 'ideology', you are derailing reasonable discussion.

The 'prickly' discomfort you feel is because I am throwing back at you the same tactics you use to create discomfort in anyone who puts up a comment with a feminist leaning.

'Feminism was a reasonable response to a pretty lousy situation ...'

Yes, and that 'reasonable response' was met back then with all the same bigoted rage and disinformation that is applied to third-wave feminist issues today. So too, was this same bigoted rage and disinformation applied to the suffragettes.

It's the same old divide-and-conquer shaming rhetoric, repackaged for each successive generation to control and manipulate women's behaviour.

But keep on doing it if you believe it gives you a rhetorical advantage over us mere 'girls'.

@ Killarney

"In my personal dealings with DV (through friends and acquaintances), I have found the police, social workers and legal system have been completely professional in giving both male and female victims equal support and attention."

Oh what absolute rubbish!

In the jurisdiction that I live in the Domestic Violence Crisis Service(DVCS) has an office in the court building. I'm sure its not there for helping male alleged perpetrators or male alleged victims. It's there to assist females who are there to take out AVO's against their male partners and to assist them every step of the way. Most of them get that in addition to free legal aid. The alleged perpetrator gets no assistance. The aim of the court is to handicap the alleged perpetrator in the process to the max.

Most AVO's are issued "ex parte" the alleged perpetrator. Whilst he'll receive a copy of the application with the AVO and an order for him to show up at the court on set date, are served. He'll not be told that he is entitled to a transcript of the "ex parte" hearing to see what the alleged victim said in court and that he can look at the case file at the court to see how the matter was dealt with by judicial officer at the "ex parte" hearing.

I've gone to the court expecting to be able to sit in on domestic violence case/s. The receptionist will not tell you in which court the cases are being heard. On the court list the court no's are not shown against cases with the name of parties like other cases concerning other matters and in the family court. So I walked into some of the courts until I came across one where a domestic violence matter was being heard. The magistrate stopped proceedings and asked what I was doing in his court. I said I was there to observed the law being applied and he then carried on with the case looking rather unhappy with my presence.

Make no mistake about it, these courts are "star chamber" courts.

Roscoe, with all this 'injustice' being heaped on all these supposedly innocent men being issued with the useless AVO's in court, we still have the continuing problem of the death of women by their intimate partners every week of the year in Australia.
And the unknown number of severely injured women who were bashed in their own homes, but survived.

It seems that every day in the media we hear about women being injured or killed by their loving male partners, or of men being bashed, or worse, by other men.

So forgive me if I have trouble feeling sorry for these men you seem to want to save in the court system.....

Having been through abuse by a mother who certainly new how to abuse, always right, never wrong, if you disagree with me I will slap your face or I will start screaming, you sons are there for me, look after me, why have pups and bark yourself, a great saying of hers, So we kids did the cooking for her, remember I am a lady I don't do that, Yes! After years of abuse even when we married it still did not stop and after my father died after years of cruelty, there was now another problem, I am your mother, remember, so divorces became the order of the day, it's me or your wives, always remember I am your mother.
Looking back over those manipulate years of our family, to be quite honest if my father had killed her, we would of had to agree with what he did.
Females have a skill of being manipulative with males, I see it so often with friends where the female will become bossy to the male normally he doesn't respond, and I most certainly think that males can stand so much until they break and resort to violence or killing.
Even to this day I am very wary of any female attending my needs, and tend to avoid, example, security at an airport by mainly aggressive females, look for a male instead
The only time we will be free of the continuous torment of the past, will be after we have passed on, it is always there and never leaves you.
I have posted earlier on this tragedy which I will say again females can be twice as bad as males in the cruelty stakes, been there for nearly a lifetime of misery while she lived, it most certainly was, nobody can tell me otherwise