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We need to speak out for all victims of family violence : Comments

By Roger Smith, published 2/3/2015

During 2010–11 and 2011–12, there were 121 females (62%) and 75 males (38%) killed in domestic homicides according to the latest figures just released by the Australian Institute of Criminology.

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Suze,
We've had this discussion before, domestic violence is not a gendered issue, according to data from all Western societies there's symmetry in rates of offending and violent women are significantly more likely to initiate a physical fight.
Immigration seems to be causing the upswing in reporting of family violence with overseas born people being the majority of victims, again we've had this discussion many times so I'll just cut and paste:

Partner violence and sexual assault are concentrated in certain demographic "clusters" and there's a pretty simple explanation for the "epidemic" of violence against women, 84% of victims presenting at crisis services appear to be overseas born.
Mail order brides and arranged marriages? Or alternatively allegations of domestic abuse can be used to speed up visa processing and a lot of women appearing at shelters and support services are non residents.
Domestic violence: how taboos veil the truth
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/domestic-violence-how-taboos-veil-the-truth-20150126-12umej.html
"The latest ABS Personal Safety Survey breaks down the figures by gender, age group, state and disability, but not by ethnicity or religion. Of the 27.4 per cent of all Australians who experienced sexual assault in last 12 months, 41.7 per cent were born overseas and were English-speaking, 36.6 per cent were born overseas but spoke other languages, the rest were Australian-born, so ethnicity and cultural factors seem to be significant.

The background of sexual assault victims is also hard to unpack – Australia 16.2 per cent in last 12 months, 3 per cent since age 15; Overseas (English-speaking 41.7 per cent in last 12 months, 7.5 per cent since age 15; other languages 36.6 per cent in last 12 months, 10.9 per cent since age 15)."
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 2 March 2015 1:05:16 PM
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@Suseonlin If you live in Victoria you will find that protocols are in place in emergency departments to ask injured women if the injury was caused by DV. No such protocols exist for men. They are not asked and if they say the injury was caused by DV it is up to them to go to a doctor about their injury, take photo's and file a police report. Going to the courts for men again is totally in their hands they will get no help only hindrance. For women all this is done for them. Two studies one by Monash university and another by Curtin university into DV injuries came to very similar conclusions one third of those attending Emergency departments because of DV injuries were men. It was also found that in many cases their injuries were worse because women use weapons (knifes/sharp objects), heavy objects(fry pans etc) or use hot or boiling water or oil.
Posted by Bevonline, Monday, 2 March 2015 1:12:26 PM
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Why was Rosie Batty made Australian of the Year and why was she on Q and A when as I understand it the coroner has not yet released any findings surrounding the death of her son and his father?

I've attempted to learn as much as I can from what's on the web and media about what took place up until the time of Luke Batty's death. There are some things I'd be interested in knowing:

I understand untested allegations had been made regarding Greg Anderson producing a knife in the presence of his son and another person made allegations of child pornography where according to police there was insufficent evidence to prosecute a case. But did Greg Anderson have any prior convictions for any form of family violence against his name as opposed to AVO's issued on the basis of unsubstantiated allegations or uncorroborated evidence;

I understand the parents had been through the courts(local/family) over many years and it would appear that Anderson had become increasingly dysfunctional over that time. What orders had been made by the courts?;

Just prior to him being murdered Rosie Batty took her son to the UK for a number of weeks(6?), around or over the christmas period/school holiday and not long before Anderson went beserk. That trip would have been a lovely parent/child bonding experience as opposed to being told that you can only see your child at sports training with the other parent hovering around in the background. Was the UK trip in accordance with any existing court orders?; and

Did both parents approve Luke's passport application or did Rosie Batty apply for special circumstances whereby only her approval was required and thereby cutting his father out of the process?
Posted by Roscop, Monday, 2 March 2015 2:31:40 PM
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Roscop,
Rosie Batty was selected for political reasons, just like her predecessor Adam Goodes, domestic violence like "racism" is a far bigger political issue than it is a social problem because so called social justice has nothing to do with either justice or society.
The ideals of drawing attention to a particular subject or raising awareness of a social problem and that of actually doing something about it are two different things, Batty and Goodes fall into the former category.
Social justice activism isn't evidence based nor goal oriented and is not carried out on a strategic timeline with the expectation of a result by a certain deadline, it's more about social status signalling and what we might call "crowdism".
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 2 March 2015 2:47:12 PM
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Roscoe your writing does pose questions, if the husband was still alive I would like to hear his side, but that is something we will never know now, I felt Natasha did not want to hear anything about male bashing by their wives and seemed to not want to know
Having been a victim from a small child and into middle age of continuous bashing , screaming and having to witness the brutality of my mother with my father has left its mark, not only on me, my brothers as well, he never ever hit back, to the outside world she came across as a fun loving person, the story was completely different when she came home, she ruled, manipulated and cruelty was her forte
Unfortunately because of one sided issues with women being bashed up I find it difficult to reconcile with it, Q&A should now run a story on male bashing,or manipulation by wives who can cause their husbands to retaliate, unfortunately in killing
We do not know what was causing the problem in that household, and can only take her side as to how she was such a model wife, or was she?
Posted by Ojnab, Monday, 2 March 2015 3:36:44 PM
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You guys have really hit a new low using Rosie Batty's situation for your own purposes.
Her husband murdered her son in front of plenty of witnesses, including other children.

Why Anderson did that, or what else happened to him before that day is hardly the point!
He killed a boy, his own son!

It seems to me that a gendered approach to domestic violence is much more important to some men on this thread than it is to the women, feminists or not.

No one here has suggested women don't perpetrate domestic violence, and as far as I know, if women are convicted of violent crimes, whether it be in or out of their homes, they are punished just the same as men are.
So what are you on about?

If women are bashing you or committing any other violent acts against you, then gather your evidence and go to the police about it, just like battered women have to do.
Or....would you have trouble proving it maybe?
Welcome to the much larger problem of men on women domestic violence then.....
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 2 March 2015 3:57:18 PM
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