NC, on 2 March 2015 8:04:28 PM you called it "crime" so I guess you meant crime. I guess also that you are with McAdam on justifications for the killing of westerners by Islamicists, i.e. you sympathize.

Going into Iraq was the mistake, based on misinformation, but millions of Shiites and Kurds were spared Saddam's (Sunni's)genocide, and despotism was replaced with democracy, albeit still developing. I support going into Afghanistan and anywhere else people are being trained to kill westerners. Get them before they get me, I say, and too bad if you are offended.

RE assets, which ME nations (as in those that are members of the UN) are dispossessed? Explain yourself on the matter instead of waving your arms about and expecting agreement.

Raising justifications for the existence/behaviour of ISIS to deflect criticism of the Quran is s slippery slope. Be careful

Luciferase,

"From your perspective then, McAdam, you would support Islamicists' retaliating against the West, in self-defense?"

What is this question?......and where has it come from?
Does it emanate from my writing or is it your hallucination? If it is from my writing, then please quote where I suggested such a thing.

Do you really believe that Islam or Muslims are waging a war against the West, through a few goons, armed with Western supplied arms and waving huge flags for photo sessions? Is that your understanding of warfare? Have you ever observed a real war or ever read warfare?
Have the sentries in war, ever carried 4 feet by 4 feet flags, along with flag poles on their shoulders, rendering them unable to use their weapons? Have the drivers ever driven in war, with big flags interfering with their field of view?

Barring MacArthur's landing at Luzon-Lingayen Gulf, can you quote an example from entire military history, where the belligerent soldiers manifested such a staged behavior?

Quote me a single example from the history of warfare, where a force comprising of tanks, armored cars, soft vehicle and foot soldiers, denuded of air cover, faced with the dominant hostile air power in desert environment; with no overhead cover/protection and with no effort to camouflage, survived so long without anti air capability. Particularly with omni present and ever watching drones.

And then you post again;
" I guess also that you are with McAdam on justifications for the killing of westerners by Islamicists, i.e. you sympathize."

Now where has this come from?
My statement?
Which?

It is a blatant lie that you are telling.

I said nothing like this nonsense that you attribute to me.
It is only the creation of your fears and sickness of your mind, that you have exposed. This is pricely the caveat in the article, that hatred and fear harms the individuals and the society. These things make people sick, like you appear to be, right now.

I seriously doubt your sound mindedness, unless you substantiate your allegation; ball is in your court.

Good luck.

Luciferase,

The confusion that your post of 4 March creates warrants reference to the previous thread that you brought in earlier.

I said (NC post 12 Jan 8:29 PM):

“There is nothing wrong with the Muslims, like other nations in the post-colonial era, to aim for controlling their own resources.”

To which you responded (Luciferase post of 12 Jan 9:22 PM):

<<"There is nothing wrong with the Muslims, like other nations in the post-colonial era, to aim for controlling their own resources."

Finally bared your teeth fully, NC. Go The Muslim nation, Islamic State, The Caliphate! Go you good thing!

Why dint'cha just say that in the beginning?>>

Now look at my statement, that you have repeated;
and then look at what you see in it:

1. <<Finally bared your teeth fully, NC>>;
2. << Go The Muslim nation, Islamic State, The Caliphate! Go you good thing!>>;
3. << Why dint'cha just say that in the beginning?>>

Luciferase, YOU SEE ONLY what is in your mind, because none of it is in my statement.

Despite my repeated reminders (and I ask you once again to show me how you see all that in my statement), you have not answered this question, could have helped the readers.

And now you come up with another delusion of YOUR mind: <<I guess also that you are with McAdam on justifications for the killing of westerners by Islamicists..>>

You can’t find this in any of my posts, still you have the guts to make this statement. Amazing!

McAdam seems to have similar issues with your delusions (McAdam post of 5 Mar 11:58 AM.)

For me, frankly “you have bared your teeth fully”. So much for the “secular” broad look of yours.

Your post of 4 March carries other false conclusions/statements.

Now my problem is what should I answer? A question must be rational to attract a reasoned response.

Please revisit your style and write something reasonable to work with.

The poor old Aborigines must have wondered who the extremists were plundering their country way back and then giving them the so called white fella religion when they had the dreamtime which possibly was far better.
Now we have white fella Muslim trying their hardest to bestow extremist Allah on white fella religion, when all said and done white fella religion at present is better, like dreamtime.
What a queer?, oops, stupid world we live in.

McAdam, "What is this question?......and where has it come from?" You've banged on and on about the evil West, across threads. Why?

These recapitulations of your historical perspective are for what purpose? Ultimately they are supposed to be swallowed whole as a defense against the accusation that the Quran is a basis for Islamicist violence.

NC adds his claim of asset dispossession for the same purpose, but errs in asserting yet again (above) that these belong to Muslims rather than ME nations, as if they are one in the same. This is the mindset of ISIS. Furthermore, he offers no example of a ME nation which does not control its assets, i.e that is dispossessed. Just like you, he presumes the agreement of all with his narrative and goes crackers at anybody reading into it.

BTW, the citing of light-weight authors/speakers with rose-tinted glasses, who have been critiqued all over the internet, adds no ballast to either of your arguments.

Luciferase,
"McAdam, "You've banged on and on about the evil West, across threads. Why?"

Evil West?
I said that?
Where?
Please quote.
And if you can not quote, which you never will be, because I never said that, as I recognize the immense good done to humanity by the West and its people being essentially good, would it not be proof of your unsound mental condition, that you take your thoughts to be actual events. You do hallucinate, it appears.

Mind you, the substantiation of your earlier allegations on me for having said things that I never said, is still due.

Then you go on to say;

"These recapitulations of your historical perspective are for what purpose? Ultimately they are supposed to be swallowed whole as a defense against the accusation that the Quran is a basis for Islamicist violence."

Recapitulations are an attempt to understand the real reasons for the world events so that we are not mislead by likes of the the people who told us of Iraqi WMD.
How is the attempt to understand real reasons for world events, linked with Quran? It beats me.
I can not fathom, how your twisted mind works, but what you write is utter nonsense.

Please see for yourself, the havoc hatred plays with the beholder. It saps the faculty of reasonable thought. Please have pity on yourself and stop hating and fearing fellow humans. The world would be lot better, without hatred; the basic point of the article we are discussing.

I can carry on discussion with you, only if you base it on facts with proof and not ask me to chase the wild goose of your suppositions and unsubstantiated assumptions.

Take car