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Making sense of Islamicist violence: the big picture : Comments

By Keith Suter, published 14/1/2015

There is a struggle for the soul of Islam. How is Islam to be reconciled with the modern world?

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I was bought up in the Catholic faith, where great emphasis was put on the fact that missionaries and many others became martyrs for their faith. Yes, died in the name of the Catholic religion. it was considered a good thing. We were taught to admire the martyrs over the centuries. Yes, and I believe martyrdom ensure one went straight to heaven. Not sure what the church means when it blesses those going off to war. There us a history, over two thousand years, of one placing one life on the line for Christ. Yes, from those who faced the lions, to those who faced primitive people during the years of colonisation, bringing the word of god to pagans.
Posted by Flo, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 1:03:46 PM
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These words by Dr Suter - a self described:

"thought leader and media personality [who describes himself as] "prolific and well-respected"

are at first glance bland, superficial and unsurprising and at mercifully final glance they are still bland, superficial and unsurprising.
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 1:08:12 PM
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Is Mise "Read the Koran, that'll tell you what they think."
Really? ALL of them?

If we thought ALL Christians followed the bible we would have people stoning adulterers left right and centre, if we followed your line of reasoning.

Ojnab, I look forward to the day you are talking about :)
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 2:50:19 PM
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S(n)useonline,

Would you contract with someone who was offering you a agreement with a whole lot of draconian clauses, if s/he assured (off the record) they would NOT enforce them all ... ala "Dont worry we reasonably ...we wont really enforce those provisions ... we are moderates"?

Just wondering?
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 3:00:29 PM
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The bigger picture is that Islamist terrorism is an insignificant issue when compared to the every day violence and criminality of "Western Oriental Gentlemen".
The people are the problem, not the religion,they are dumb, unreasonable, overly sensitive and always on a hair trigger.
Some scenarios in which I've seen them explode:
-You know how sometimes at McDonalds drive through if it's busy they'll ask you to move forward to the parking bay to wait for your order? This sent a Lebanese man over the edge, he went berserk and threatened to kill the little girl on the second window, the tirade went on for several minutes, we left just as the Police arrived.
-At the Lebanese bakery, a Somalian man went completely ballistic because he was told that "Once the pizza is in the oven you can't change your order, if you want a different topping you have to buy another one". Once again, screaming, foot stomping,death threats to the girl serving and the guys from out the back had to come and stand with her her until he left.
-Same bakery, different day, Lebanese man tries to engage one of the workers in conversation in Arabic, the girl says "He's Afghan he doesn't speak Arabic, speak English"...total, effing meltdown on the part of the customer, once again the poor girl is left shaking in fear and a terrible argument in Arabic breaks out between the bakers and the lunatic customer.

I've got tons of these stories, anyone who describes "Western Oriental Gentlemen" as a peace loving group has obviously never come into contact with them.
Forget terrorism,the fact that so many of them are mentally ill, traumatised by their life experiences or just too stupid to navigate day to day life in a first world country without exploding in frustration should be the main topic of conversation.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 3:05:49 PM
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Is Mise is silly by his saying read Koran a big book, and a silly stupid man for saying such things like that. A lot of stuff he says make nonsence with small silly statements about things. Koran is a big book and hard to understand if you are not Muslim follower. So Is Mise say stupid to even read it, so a very foolish answer. He is not beliver of ISlam beliefs I think?
Posted by misanthrope, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 3:06:56 PM
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