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Making sense of Islamicist violence: the big picture : Comments

By Keith Suter, published 14/1/2015

There is a struggle for the soul of Islam. How is Islam to be reconciled with the modern world?

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Thats right Ojnab, European Royalty did it for similar reasons as
Arabs do it, ie keep everything in the family.

Of course rural communities know better, that was why English villages
had Fairs, it was a deliberate move to get boys and girls from other
villages to meet up. Some I believe were quite deliberate about the
reason.

Mohammad was asked if it was OK and he asked Gabriel to check and the
message back was that it was OK.
So moslems are exempt from genetics.

An interesting aside to this, because it has been going on for so
long, even if a couple are not closely related their children can be
affected because of the close relationships over many generations in their community.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 18 January 2015 10:55:03 PM
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One of the great pre- and post-9/11 ‘war on Islam’ myths is that so-called Islamic terrorism begins and ends with jihad. The myth goes that young Islamic men are continually being radicalised by exposure to too much recitation of the Q’uran’s violent bits and/or through the influence of some infidel-hating Imam at the local mosque.

If the West is so threatened by Islamic jihad, then it has a funny way of showing it. Since WWII, all the secular (mostly left-leaning) national liberation movements in the Arab/Islamic world – Iran under Mossedeh, Egypt under Nasser, the Ba’athists of Iraq and Syria, the PLO under Arafat, the 1970s Afghan government and the Jamahiriya tribal-democracy in Libya – have all been brutally overthrown (or soon to be) by policies executed by the West’s military and secret services.

The overinflated myth of Islamic jihad very neatly externalises the terrorist evil, while absolving the West from having to look at the state-terrorism so far perpetrated on otherwise secular-oriented Islamic nations by our own Western governments.
Posted by Killarney, Sunday, 18 January 2015 11:01:33 PM
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‘morning Killarney,

I think you might have to check a few things in your post. The quote “War on Islam” is not true and very mischievous of you. The expression is “War on Terror”.

Isn’t it a bit contradictory to firstly deny as a myth the radicalization of terrorists and then blame that this mythical radicalization on the West? You can’t have it both ways.

I think there are about 56 Islamic nations and I can’t find one of those nice “secular-oriented, left leaning” States?

In the M.E. they all seem to be totalitarian dictatorships of three basic types, Clerical/Religious Dictatorships, Military Dictatorships or Benign Dictatorships (Royal Families).

As for your expression “overinflated myth of Islamic jihad”. The families of the 460,000 that have been slaughtered since 2001 might have a slightly different perspective. You might want to tell them who killed their loved ones if it was not Islamic Jihadi’s’?

If it was indeed Jihadi’s, then by all means make a case that they have a good excuse for their atrocities. As I understand it, you believe it they are justified because of the “brutal” overthrow of brutal dictators by western military “policies”.

This saves many problems of logic for you of course, as you have nicely wiped at least 1,300 years of history from the debate.

I feel so sorry for these nice “ otherwise secular-oriented left leaning” dictators. It’s getting tougher every day to keep one’s seat at the UN.
Posted by spindoc, Monday, 19 January 2015 8:36:04 AM
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"I think you might have to check a few things in your post. The quote “War on Islam” is not true and very mischievous of you. The expression is “War on Terror”."

Lol!....that was nicely cooked up by the Georgie Bush administration - around the same time as they were bleating "Why does everybody hate us?"...as they swaggered over to Iraq and bombed the bejesus out of it.

Great points as usual, Killarney.

spindoc,

One wonders why you're so belligerent lately?

This "overreaction" to RObert is a case in point.

"Then you could read some of the other comments on this thread so that you can avoid the embarrassment of posting the irrelevant and out of context tosh you puke onto threads."

You're rather a coarse little flower aren't you
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 19 January 2015 8:52:42 AM
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spindoc

‘Isn’t it a bit contradictory to firstly deny as a myth the radicalization of terrorists and then blame that this mythical radicalization on the West? You can’t have it both ways.’

I was not saying that the radicalisation of (Islamic) terrorists is a myth; rather, the belief that the radicalisation is entirely religious-based.

‘I think there are about 56 Islamic nations and I can’t find one of those nice “secular-oriented, left leaning” States?’

Funny that. I don’t suppose it has anything to do with all that Western regime-changing I spoke about.
Posted by Killarney, Monday, 19 January 2015 3:54:00 PM
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