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Allah the Compassionate and Merciful : Comments

By Valerie Yule, published 21/11/2014

Allah is the Compassionate, the Merciful. This description occurs everywhere, and is even shouted by the unmerciful and uncompassionate jihadis.

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To reinforce the point, consider the wording of the covenant issued after the Prophet met with a delegation from the monks of St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai (628 C.E..)

“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.

Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.

No compulsion is to be on them.

Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.

No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.

Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.

No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
The Muslims are to fight for them.

If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.

Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.

No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."

This covenant was made after the conquest of Mecca in the period that the author claims Islam was "spread by the sword"!

Was Islam spread by the sword? Read the “The Oxford History of Islam” and you’ll find your answer: a categorical NO. How then was Islam spread? I refer you to Prof. Thomas Arnold’s “The Preaching of Islam: A History of the Propagation of the Muslim Faith”

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Posted by grateful, Sunday, 23 November 2014 3:16:07 PM
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There are no "murderous" passages in the Bible that compare with the Koran, Valerie. There is nothing that says "slay the idolators wherever ye find them" or "smite them about their necks", cut off their finger tips", cut off an arm and a leg from opposite sides of the body."

Your miserable attempt to equate Islam with Christianity is a joke.

Your intent is to claim that young jihadis are just misreading the Koran, so the is nothing wrong with Islam that could not apply to other religions. They are not misreading the Koran at all. They are doing exactly what Mohammad did himself by killing and raping infidels, and taking their female children as sex slaves.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 24 November 2014 3:11:33 AM
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I just wonder:

Do LEGO and Grateful agree on the FACTS, such as whether or not Muhammad killed and raped infidels and took their heir female children as sex slaves? Or has he ever instructed: "slay the idolators wherever ye find them" or "smite them about their necks, cut off their finger tips, cut off an arm and a leg from opposite sides of the body."?

Anyone who does so is evil and as we have ample evidence, we have every right to condemn those who do so presumably in Muhammad's name, but until we ascertain that the above was the case regarding Muhammad himself, until proven guilty, we have no right to condemn Muhammad, peace be upon him, for those crimes.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 24 November 2014 1:52:39 PM
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Grateful, what a mountain of sugar coating. What Islam is is what Islam DOES both in every country where it rules and in every case where it has even temporary ascendancy whether it presents itself as Boko Haram kidnapping and enslaving schoolgirls en masse or al Shabab singling out non-Moslems for execution in a Kenyan supermarket or Taliban throwing acid in the face of a little girl for going to school or ISIS systematically shooting captives in Iraq or Moslem terrorists murdering infidels in a Bombay hotel or Algerian Moslems surrounding a village and cutting everyone’s throat or Moslem FGM artists maiming children – the list goes on. These Moslems are not just rogues, they are religiously pursuing their cult for Allah. Even when they had temporary ascendancy in Egypt they hastily inflicted a theocratic constitution on the country, thankfully soon overthrown. Daily the news media are full of the depredations of Moslems pursuing their Koran-based dream of domination over and punishment of infidels.

They secure the aquiescence of thoughtless Western apologists by their practice of “taqiyya” and “abrogation”. Read about these at http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/10/twelve-tactics-of-taqiyya.html and http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/definition-of-abrogation.html . Islam has the more objectionable features that make decent people hate fascism. Grateful and anyone else, if you’re up for some serious brainwork and not on the lookout for facile “outs” read Ibn Warraq’s account of a speech by philosopher Umberto Eco describing the anatomy of “eternal fascism” and its relationship with Islam, with meticulous attention to Chapter and Verse. It’s at http://www.newenglishreview.org/Ibn_Warraq/Islam,_Middle_East_and_Fascism/.

Examples of “facile outs” (either true but irrelevant or straight untrue)

*What’s in the news media is lies.
*Most Moslems are good people.
*Islam is a race and it’s racist to diss it.
*Can’t blame Islam for fundamentalism.
*Christians do wicked things too.
*This stuff is Islamophobia.
*This stuff is right wing (or left wing – take your pick).
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 24 November 2014 4:45:13 PM
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The Islam that Ibn Warraq targets is Wahhabiism, it is not traditional Islam.
What is traditional Islam? For those interested, a good example of the teachings of traditional Islam is the following website of Sh Nuh Ha Min Keller: http://untotheone.com/. the Shaykh is a graduate of Chicago university and has publish several translations and commentary of traditional Islamic works which you'll find prescribed reading in Islamic courses in Western universities (including Australia). The website is provides segments from his lessons since about 1998 that have been arranged by topic and indexed alphabetically. Courses in traditional Islam, can also be found here: https://qibla.com/. Many of the teachers are his students. Given the context of the discussion you may find the following series of talks of particular interest: "This is Jihad?": http://untotheone.com/public/this-is-jihad/
Posted by grateful, Monday, 24 November 2014 7:37:42 PM
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For those who like to see in the actions of ISIS and co. the manifestation of the true teachings of Islam, let me provide you with a precise statement of just how Muslims have been instructed to respond to such a group. It is not an instruction from modern Muslim leaders but an instruction from our Prophet himself. It comes in the form of a hadith.

A hadith is a report of what the Prophet said and/or did. This hadith has been recorded but until now has not received prominence becausse its chain of narration is not as strong as other hadiths. However, it is a prophecy and as the hadith scholar explains if an event occurs that concurs with the hadith then that in itself can be seen as evidence in favour of its authenticity. The scholar, Ustadh Abdul Aziz Suraqah, writes:

"Understand that the bulk of apocalyptic literature is riddled with weak narrations and even forgeries. Nevertheless, if a narration with a weak chain speaks about a future event and that event plays out exactly as recorded in the narration, then the narration can be strengthened. Whether or not this narration is sound according to the standards of hadith-authentication can be left for the scholars to discuss, but read this narration and consider it in light of what is going on in the world today. Allah knows best."

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Posted by grateful, Monday, 24 November 2014 8:01:23 PM
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