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Alberici and the apologist: Islam on Lateline : Comments

By John Perkins, published 17/10/2014

Of course Doureihi would not condemn Islamic State because that is what Hizb ut-Tahrir wants. A caliphate is their objective.

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A very good article, once again demonstrating the imperative of freedom of speech. We need to know what these enemies of civilisation are thinking. The proposal that ISIL is 'un-Islamic' is ridiculous when examining the writings in the Koran and Hadith's, and a cursory glance at history.

Arguments based on cultural relativism vis a vis Islam, Judaism and Christianity is particularly lazy thinking on the part of the Islamism apologists. Whilst I get 'fed up' with interviewers like Alberici, Bolt and others interrupting the person they are interviewing (how Emma would cringe at my lumping Andrew and her together) I think that her persistence was valuable in that it gave a very clear view of Wassims' position.

Ban speech which incites violence by all means, but let ALL other speech be freely aired, even that of the 'useful idiots'
Posted by Prompete, Friday, 17 October 2014 9:26:06 AM
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There is a fair bit of latter day revisionism here John, including your take on the "interview"!
Looking back, it was not the interviewer talking over anyone, but the interviewed, who simply motor mouthed his way through the entire interview, without once adequately addressing as much as one question!
Just who is the true apologist here?
Had it been down to me, he would have lasted around thirty seconds, before the kill button was used.
There's something intensely revealing about people, who's jaws still flap, but from which no sounds emanate.
For mine, this extreme embarrassment to humanity, should not ever be accorded a public platform to preach his hate messages from.
Yes, Islam was born of conflict, so also Christianity, and Judaism!
The Jews were persecuted by the Romans, with who they waged a guerrilla war.
Esoteric Christians were little better than heretical Jews, and were treated that way, until Christians eventually conquered Rome; in a largely bloodless coup!
And then also went on to murder and kill in God's name!
Jewish philosophy is founded on largely disproved myth (exodus from Egypt, and a promised land) and tablets of stone carved out of rock, for a people who could largely neither read nor write; by an all knowing all seeing God!
The Qoran is one of the most revised books, in any religion, only out revised by the Bible, which now bears little if any resemblance, to the oldest known version; and is, almost indisputably, born of repeated after the event, plagiarism, and extreme embellishment; to make the story fit the so called Messianic prophecy!
For mine, the only way out, is to listen to your own heart, and be guided almost exclusively, by your own moral compass, rather than the foaming mouth of a patent nut job; regardless of what perversion he or she purports to represent!
Pagans dancing naked in the summer sun, their jelly wobble bits wobbling, would at least be entertaining, and harm nobody!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 17 October 2014 9:38:36 AM
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Yes certainly Islamist are in great denial about their prophet just like secularist are in denial about their murderous past and present.
Posted by runner, Friday, 17 October 2014 9:51:09 AM
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The author, an apologist for materialistic humanism, should indeed be thankful to Islam for giving him a platform to promote his secular anti-religious ideas.

The majority of Muslims do not want Jihad.
The majority of Muslims want to live in peace with their neighbours.
The majority of Muslims want to have a life.

The majority of Muslims benefit from the other, peaceful aspects of Islam, so as they don't want to lose them altogether, they diplomatically bend the words of the Koran, in hope that nobody notices... until the author's elephant enters the china shop to remind them that they don't follow the true Islam...

The end result is that the author supports Wassim Doureihi and his murderous friends against the average moderate Muslim and their leaders like Haset Sali. Perhaps his article will even manage to convince a few Muslim youths to choose the "pure" Islam and join terrorist organisations, perhaps even it will take Indonesia by storm, "reminding" them that their peaceful interpretation of Islam is against the Hadith (which may well be so, so what) and that they must do something about it.

"Aiding and abetting terror" comes to mind.

Dear Runner,

<<Yes certainly Islamist are in great denial about their prophet>>

My personal opinion is that their prophet, the man Muhammad, had nothing to do with the Koran as we know it, that being illiterate he was horribly deceived and manipulated by his evil "disciples" who wrote whatever they liked behind his back, faking both his teachings and his history.

Never mind my personal opinion, suppose they are indeed in great denial, then they must have very good reasons do be in that denial - why then force them out of it?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 17 October 2014 10:31:57 AM
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Yuystu.
Yes and hear hear!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 17 October 2014 11:08:48 AM
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"We should not blame people for following their religion," says John Perkins.

Who else should we blame?
Posted by David G, Friday, 17 October 2014 11:35:58 AM
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