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Why do you think that Muhammad was illiterate?

Is Mise wrote:

>>Why do you think that Muhammad was illiterate?>>

A more pertinent question.

Was there ever such a person?

Did Muhammad actually exist?

I used to think Muhammad's existence was well established. Turns out that's not the case. There is no extra-koranic contemporaneous evidence for Muhammad. The first biographies appear over a 100 years after his supposed death. The earliest complete copies of the koran also date long after he supposedly died.

I don't know the answer but I found the argument for his non-existence presented in "The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History" edited by Karl-Heinz Ohlig convincing.

See:

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Origins-Islam-Research-History/dp/1591026342/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1413547889&sr=1-2&keywords=karl+heinz+ohlig

My best guess is that arguing about Muhammad is like arguing about Bugs Bunny. Both are fictitious characters.

You all have to realise that our intelligence agencies use extreme Islam to justify the removal of our rights and bring in more oppressive laws. They financed groups like isil in Syria to fight Assad. as if the usa could not forsee the tide of Isis in Iraq and not have the resources to quash them in the initial stages?

The long term plan is to take Syria and Iran and run energy pipelines to Europe tthrough Syria end putins monopoly supply to Europe. The usa is leaving Saudi Arabia out because their energy stocks are on the wane.

Why are they not removing extreme Islamic groups from Australia? They want them here so more oppressive laws can contain us . These new laws actually protect our police and intelligence bodies if they conduct illegal activity. We individuals or our media cannot report on their activities or groups in which they are associated.

Welcome to police state Australia.

John Perkins article is absolutely spot on and reveals two aspects of the debate about Islam which he did not elaborate on.

The first is, that the mullahs in the west are feeling very uncomfortable defending their own scriptures. The mullahs know that the Koran and the Hadiths instructs Muslim to kill non believers and take over the world, but they can hardly tell the truth to the people of the host country that they intend to take over. Not while they are only 2.2% of the population. They need to keep a lid on their own murderous intentions until their numbers increase significantly and they can indulge in terrorism with more or less impunity.

The second is, that Alberici's leftist class like are starting to figure out hat they are on the wrong side of history. It is alright reflexively defending minorities against your own hated people and culture as a symbol of caste identity. But sooner or later, the educated caste has to stop acting reflexively and examine the issues dispassionately. One suspects that too many educated elites are beginning to figure out themselves that Islam is extremely dangerous. So the leaders of the educated caste is in the same position as the mullahs, they are defending the indefensible and losing credibility with their own disciples because it.

If the Lateline program is anything to go by, the "social progressive" caste may have reached the tipping point as far as Islam is concerned. The psychological motivation of being a trendy lefty is the compulsive need to think that you are morally and intellectually better than the bourgeoisie and the bogans. So simply defending everything the bourgeoisie and the bogans oppose is their default position.

But the trendies are beginning to realise that they have dropped the ball on Islam. It was bad enough defending a faith who's values and attitudes are diametrically opposed to everything that a social progressive is supposed to believe in. But what is a lot worse, is that in any debate with the accursed bogans, the bogans are all over them like a rash.

Quote: the Koran and the Hadiths instructs Muslim to kill non believers and take over the world.

Actually Islam is an equal opportunity killer. Yes, there are passages that focus on attacking, killing and conquering those damn infidels, but there are many others that are very vague and can perfectly justify Muslims killing each other. Take Quran 9:111 - now there is a verse for ISIS and friends - it says that Muslims were put on earth to kill and be killed (not exactly the Sermon on the Mount). In fact, Mohammad and his merry men did kill and were killed. Most people have no idea of the slaughter inflicted on Muslims and Infidels alike by the early Muslims, companions of the prophet. They killed each other by the 10s of thousands. Mohammad even attacked a mosque full of women and children,"because of unbelief" (so much for "no compulsion"! )

There is no peaceful Islam or peaceful Muslim. All Muslims accept the hateful verses in the Quran and/or the evil deeds of their prophet. What we are seeing today is a return to the pure, brutal Islam of Mohammed. A Muslim may be a nice person but how can we trust someone who is devoted to a god that delights in barbaric torture for the silliest of reasons or considers a man who attacked, looted, tortured, raped and enslaved men women and children to be a noble example?

The problem is not Wassim Doureihi. It is our leaders that blindly accept the "Islam is a religion of peace" mentality and bring millions of Muslims to live among us. Has anybody ever seen a PM or president in the West stand up and say "Letting these people come and live amongst us was a terrible idea and will cause problems"? We all will pay for their stupidity and blindness. It will get worse and maybe never better. Blood will flow, but that's OK for our elites because it means more power for them.

I would like to post a link about ISIS and Muslims.
http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/culture/exclusive-qa-with-former-islamic-state-member_26696

Notice the use of the Quran and hadith. Notice the lack of logic and reason. Notice the brutal tortures and pain inflicted.

Does the nice, peaceful Muslim ever ask how the perfect Quran can be used for these things, or why violence comes so easily to Muslims?

Oops... The quran (5:101-102) tells Muslims not to ask questions so not to lose faith. One good thing about Islam is that blind faith, plus simple rituals and routines, are a sure ticket to paradise. None of that silly "confess your sins" and "sin no more" from Christian theology.