Dear Dane,

<< Are you saying the Koran is not the word of God through his prophet Mohammed?>>

Yes, I am, at least in part.

Read the Koran for yourself and tell me whether it is believable that God has said so - not all perhaps, but a substantial number of the verses.

So yes, I say that the words of Muhammad the prophet were heavily tampered with in that book as well as in its surrounding Hadiths.

<<Why don't you put that on a sign and walk down Lakemba Street in Sydney?>>

That would indeed be laughable if I went out the streets without evidence. This is a job for historians and forensic archaeologists to establish and prove that over a billion Muslims are missing on the true and peaceful message of Muhammad.

Yuyutsu,
If 1 billion Muslims believe Mohammed said something and are willing to die and kill for it, does it really matter what he actually said?

After you walk down Lakemba street telling Muslims how wrong they are, you might get onto families of people who have been 'slaughtered' with a machete and their head held up for TV. I'm sure they will feel much better.

BJelly,
The corporate influence is just another special interest like feminists, the GLBT movement, immigration advocates etc. In fact, it is corporate influences that have consistently advocated for higher immigration. This has been a disaster for social cohesion. The corporate world sees the country as an economy not a society. This has done enormous damage. As social cohesion disintegrates people withdraw into their own communities. Trust diminishes even more. People now are too scared to even let their children play on the streets. Society becomes ever more atomized. At least we have cheap labor.

As for the military industrial complex, I think you are confusing us with the US. If we can't even build submarines here (largely because of industrial relations laws introduced by Labor), then we could hardly have a military industrial complex. The US is quite different. I think it was Eisenhower who warned Americans of that in his 1961 speech. If only they could go back to that time!

Your other point is wrong, dangerous and morally repugnant. No Christan preachers or Churches advocate decapitating non-believers. Nor are Christians waging a sectarian war against other Christians. To equate the two is just silly. You probably also believe in chem trails and listen to the ABC?

Dear Dane,

<<If 1 billion Muslims believe Mohammed said something and are willing to die and kill for it, does it really matter what he actually said?>>

I sincerely hope so. While I hold no hope for those Muslims who are violent in nature, I do hope that finding the truth will help and give courage to the majority of those who love Mohammed, who are naturally peaceful, to stand up, be counted, and reject the violent cult that currently oppress them and the world.

Yuyutsu,
There's no law against being delusional, so if people like you are determined to see the world how they would like it to be rather than how it actually is, there's not really much anyone else can do about it.

Must be a great faculty to have though. See a 9yo hold up a severed head, gang rapes, mass grooming of under-aged girls, public stonings and beheadings and still somehow convince yourself Islam is the religion of peace.

Why don't you go to Syria and help those nasty IS people understand?

Dear Dane,

I didn't claim that "Islam is a religion of peace". In fact, I just wrote on a neighbouring board (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6579#197792) that Islam is a package, not a religion - and it's not peaceful either.

However, I do say that the purely-religious part WITHIN that package, is peaceful and yes, that stoning, beheading, rapes, etc. are not part of it.

I believe that the path for stopping the atrocities and suffering, mainly of Muslims, but also of others, goes through proving to the ordinary Muslim that the Koran and Hadith are NOT the words of Muhammad.

<<Why don't you go to Syria and help those nasty IS people understand?>>

First we need the proof. We need scientists, historians and archaeologists to dig all the evidence and make the case clear that the Koran and what Muhammad taught are two completely different things. Such a squad of scientists will be so much more effective than combat troops (not that the latter are not needed in the interim).

Also, going to Syria may be too late - it's the Muslim youth in Australia and the rest of the world who most need to hear the results of this research, so they don't go and join the terrorists in Syria and Iraq.

Dane,
I totally agree with you on the corrosive effects of corporate influence and how we are losing our sense of community.

I am not afraid of feminists, gays, lesbians, transgender, bisexuals, Aboriginals, Muslims, Jews, refugees and other minorities.
However, I am afraid of those who seek to take our freedoms away from us and who are doing their best to weaken our egalitarian democracy, and unfortunately they seem to be winning. I'm saddened to the core that all those young men who have defended our country in so many wars to keep us free have made their sacrifice in vain. They deserved better from us, and so do our descendents. We are not giving our children a better world than we inherited. And shame on all of us for that!

Yes the military industrial complex is American, but we are good and loyal servants of The US, and I believe the US government seems to be doing the bidding of the MIC. Obama prior to becoming President said he would increase transparency, bring the troops home and close Guantanamo, but since getting into power he has reversed his position (why?)

If Muslim preachers are breaking laws and inciting violence they should be charged and put in gaol. Do you think our security services are turning a blind eye to such things? I would be very surprised if they haven't infiltrated muslim groups - I know that is what they do to environmental and anti-war groups and the like.

Christians are capable of waging war between themselves - the IRA is a good example. I don't think the Catholic community felt that the IRA's terrorist attacks represented their beliefs in any way. The KKK (Protestants)killed and terrorized many Catholics. Anders Breivik bombed a building and then killed 69 people, mostly children in Norway not so long ago. There are other examples of Christian terrorism, but that will probably do.

We have laws against terrorism. Terrorists aren't superhuman, surely we can deal with terrorists of any stripe without losing our basic freedoms.