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They are coming for you: ASIO, surveillance and Australia's new security laws : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 29/9/2014

Unfortunately, the insecurity fantasists, be they Attorney-General, Senator George Brandis, or Prime Minister Tony Abbott, are in charge. According to Brandis, we live in a 'newly dangerous age'.

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The Kuala Lumpur Wars Crimes Tribumal found Bush, Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld guilty of wars crimes in 2012.They now have to be careful which countries they travel or risk jail. American exceptionalism is coming to an end.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/kuala-lumpur-war-crimes-tribunal-bush-convicted-in-absentia-it-s-official-george-w-bush-is-a-war-criminal/30839

John Howard recently said that the intelligence he got on Iraq was flawed. Could that not be said about most of the intelligence we get to justify these wars ? Howard is looking very worried.

Our elite oligarchs are getting desperate. The hegemony of US $ is the one thing that props up this power, the other is the war machine. Russia and China could easily destroy the US $ but is will eventual collapse under the weight of its own money printing.

Our leaders need more censorship to cover up their crimes and thus we see reduction of our personal freedoms under the ruse of saving us from the terrorists.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 29 September 2014 7:06:34 AM
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"Our leaders need more censorship to cover up their crimes and thus we see reduction of our personal freedoms under the ruse of saving us from the terrorists."

Assuming you mean our Australian leaders, since you don't recognise the validity of the USA, what exactly are those crimes? Perhaps the censorship is to help the security forces do their job without the media telegraphing every move before they make it.

Do you not agree that the Muslim kid who paraded through a shopping mall with an ISIS flag and who later tried to kill to policemen was a terrorist or at least 'the enemy within'?

Who's side are you on? Please don't give us some lame anarchist drivel as a reply.
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Monday, 29 September 2014 8:22:58 AM
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" Perhaps the censorship is to help the security forces do their job without the media telegraphing every move before they make it."

Yup....I'm sure they held the same view in the GDR....pesky free media - who needs it!

Love this - "Who's side are you on?"

How about open and free democracy (or at least what we "had" that approached it)
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 29 September 2014 8:26:33 AM
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"National security gags on media force us to trust state will do no wrong"

http://theconversation.com/national-security-gags-on-media-force-us-to-trust-state-will-do-no-wrong-32103

"The relevant law emerges from the National Security Legislation Amendment Bill (No.1) 2014. This amends the ASIO Act 1979 by adding a new section 35P (amongst others) to extend existing state and federal prohibitions on the disclosure of information regarding policing for anti-terrorist purposes.

The amendment imposes substantial jail terms (five years) for anyone who discloses information relating to a “special intelligence operation” (SIO). That penalty doubles if there is evidence that the disclosure would endanger the health or safety of any person or prejudice the effective conduct of an SIO. The Senate accepted a Palmer United Party amendment that means anyone who publicly names an ASIO agent could be jailed for up to a decade, a ten-fold increase in the existing penalty.

There is no “public interest” defence. There is no defence that a journalist was not aware that an SIO was even in progress."

"What is different about the latest legislation is that the silence “blanket” now applies across Australia without the need for a court order."

"History of abuses makes case for transparency"

"One could simply trust governments to do their job, and tell naysayers to desist. But we need to remember that, when officials are confident that they are not under scrutiny, it is not unfair (nor un-Australian) to suspect that some will exercise their power inappropriately. And to determine whether that has occurred we need transparency, not a wall of silence.

Governmental zeal, however justified by the pressures of the day, must be kept in check by the curiosity of a free press."
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 29 September 2014 8:47:03 AM
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Which side am I on? I'm on the side of those who believe that humans can be better than a rabble of warring, brutal, greedy barbarians and killers.

Yeah, look I admit it! I don't applaud the nations of the world that make weapons of war and engage in war as if it was no more than a game.

I don't applaud the U.S., Britain, Australia, and France and I don't applaud the war-like Muslims either except when they fight against Western Imperialism!

War is a sickness which afflicts the human race although some racial groups are more affected by it than others. Americans seem to be genetically programmed to love war and killing and themselves, and tell themselves they are 'exceptional' as if that excuses their barbaric behavior over centuries.

The world has been commandeered by a barbaric horde centred in Washington. They have succeeded in convincing most people in the world that war is necessary. For them it is because it fills their Capitalist Coffers and those of their Capitalist Allies.

The world is approaching a tipping point, one that involves nuclear war. The U.S. will use nukes if it feels that such a move will ensure its complete military and economic domination of the world. Such is its madness!

That's why I'm on the side of peace and I hate the warmongers with a passion especially those who pretend to be standing up for human rights while, surreptitiously, they takeover the world.
Posted by David G, Monday, 29 September 2014 9:12:51 AM
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Don't worry Binoy, the general public will know pretty soon, when ASIO come to get dissidents like you, & lock you up.

Actually what we will know, when they don't bother with noisy dissidents like you, but continue to let you waffle on with your deluded garbage, is that even minor little twits are quite safe mouthing their inane rubbish.

Obviously you don't believe your own propaganda, or you would not be broadcasting it so widely, for fear of the response you claim.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 29 September 2014 10:47:41 AM
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