Joe

‘what do you think Iran and the Saudis will do if all those obstacles in between them are removed’

Go on living, loving, being with their families, working, pursuing hobbies and interests … the usual stuff. Or hasn’t it ever occurred to you that these people are actually human beings?

In fact, if the West butts out of the entire Middle Ease, all these countries may finally get a chance to peacefully co-exist, instead of having to snuggle up to the Great Superpower Protection Racket and sell one another out in order to avoid being bombed back to the Stone Age.

‘Obama has a massive task, a historic task really, to keep the two main Muslim rivals apart’

No. He has a massive task to butt out of the Middle East and stop bombing everything and everyone that his uber-paranoid, psychopathic minders tell him to. The ‘Muslim rivals’, if left alone, will sort themselves out. Or … again, hasn’t it ever occurred to you that these people are actually human beings?

‘If anything, and to sort of second guess the Yanks, they need to degrade but not to destroy ISIL …’

No. They just need to stop funding, training and supplying weapons (and machine-gun equipped Toyota Humvees) to them. Then ISIL will lose interest in making beheading videos for propaganda purposes and go and get a proper job.

Killarney,

My God, you really are an idiot ! Do you understand anything at all about the complexities of the Middle East ? That, for example, BOTH the Saudis AND Iran are contending for control over BOTH Iraq and Syria, each on spurious but similar grounds - that their particular brand of Islam is dominant in one (but not in the other) and 'therefore' their brand should rule in both countries.

And of course, even within each of those powers, it is much more comlicated than that. After all, in almost all of the countries in the Middle East, there are large minority populations - Sunni in Shi'ite countries, Shi'ite in Sunni countries. And all manner of other groups in between, Christians, Yazidis, Turkmens, Azaris, Nuris, Druse, etc., etc. And Kurds, of course.

So Obama's job is to keep a lid on much of it, and if possible, without bringing the US army back in. If he can manage that, he deserves another Nobel Peace Prize.

Joe

Killarney, to not be in Arabia was the centre point of my "wayout" suggestion !

I have no problem with that, but the real problem is to keep them in Arabia !
When they immigrate they don't do it for a new life but to bring their old life with them.

It is crazy of course, but that makes no difference.
I must make up a list of countries invaded by moslems, it would be an eye opener for many people.

It is a fundamental of the religion that they takeover the rest of the world for Allah.

Joe

'So Obama's job is to keep a lid on much of it ...'

Duh! You must be right, Joe. I AM an idiot. And here was I thinking his job was to run the US.

As the Declaration of Independence says: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident ... Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness and Stopping Muslims from Killing Each Other.'

Bazz

'I must make up a list of countries invaded by moslems, it would be an eye opener for many people.'

Really? I think most people would find it a bit of a yawn. After all, it's the Christians who hold the all-time record for invaders par excellence. In fact, I can't really think of a single country anywhere in the world that the Christians HAVEN'T invaded.

Anybody know of one ...?

Killarney,

Oh dear.

Okay. How to start ? In faraway countries, some countries have what they call nuclear weapons. Others may not but may also have nuclear weapons. A major ally of a country called Saudi Arabia is another country called Pakistan. It has nuclear weapons. Those countries are ruled by people who are Muslim, but are mainly what are called 'Sunni' Muslims.

Another powerful country is called Iran. It also has nuclear weapons, and it is also Muslim, but it is what is called 'Shia' Muslim.

Sunni and Shia often don't like each other. They have fought nasty wars for 1400 years - that's before even your grand-dad was born !

In that part of the world called the 'Middle East', there are many countries. Almost all have a mixture of Sunni and Shia Muslims. One country where most people are Sunni has Shia rulers, it's called 'Syria'. One country which is mostly Shia used to have Sunni rulers, but now has Shia rulers, it's called 'Iraq'. But everywhere, Sunnis want Sunni rulers, and Shias want Shia rulers.

But in all of those countries, there are many other different sorts of people, loosely called 'minorities'. Usually, they don't care who rules them, as long as they aren't getting beheaded. 'Beheading' is a common practice in Muslim countries, especially Sunni ones, where a man with a sword or a butcher's knife, cuts someone's head off. At the moment, it's a very common practice in parts of those two countries called 'Iraq' and 'Syria', even of children. Children's heads, I mean.

Many of those countries are friends with some of those countries, but some are real enemies.

That might be enough for tonight. I'm sorry it's so complicated already, but we'll work through that tomorrow.

Uncle Joe

Give up Loudmouth, he is one of those who will get us destroyed while he
argues that there is nothing to worry about.
It just will not happen here as the moslems here are so different.