Bazz,
What I meant was that ethnic cleansing doesn't work, it can never work because it means burning down your own society in the process, perhaps you're not fully aware of the appalling price the Germans paid for the NSDAP's racial programs?
Not to mention the Serbs and the Iraqis to give two recent examples, any attempt to remove any one particular group from Australian society, no matter how benign or non violent would result in a bloodbath and the destruction of the way of life we enjoy, that's why nobody is seriously advocating such a program.

Jay, >Australian society, no matter how benign or non violent

Well that is the point isn't it.
Resign yourself to more wars ? Look at India, it is still going on all these years later.
Pakistan & India armed themselves with nuclear weapons to keep each other at bay.

I have a feeling as the Islamists have adopted the tactic of conquering by birth rate
it will result in civil war in different European countries as the moslems try to enforce Sharia Law.
The question then becomes would we be able to avoid either civil war or partition as did India ?

What is your solution ?

Bazz,
Islam has no hope of taking over the West, for that to happen they'd need unanimous support from Europeans Christianity and enlightenment values couldn't unify Europeans and Islam is a far less sophisticated creed than that.
What you'll see more and more are alliances between Islamic and European political tendencies along the left-right divide, so called "moderates" on the left and the Salafists and such on the right.
It's already happening in Hungary with nominally "right wing" party Jobbik and Dugin's Eurasian school in Russia.
http://www.ibtimes.com/strange-bedfellows-hungarian-far-right-jobbik-party-embraces-muslim-nations-seeks-eurasian-ideal
“Islam is the last hope for humanity in the darkness of globalism and liberalism.” - Gábor Vona.
I agree with that sentiment in that if Islam loses then we're all done for, I'm for these types of alliances as long as people go into it "eyes open" and understand exactly what Islam is and what it is not.

Bazz

'Well Killarny, ... I note that you have no solution.'

Yes I do. The solution has been there for well over 100 years. We (the West) have to get out of the Middle East and stay out of the Middle East. In short, leave the Middle East alone.

There is NO other solution.

And once the West finally stops being so thick-headed (if that's at all possible) and gets itself out of the Middle East once and for all, THEN building a wall around the Middle East might be a good idea - not to keep THEM in, but to keep the West OUT!

Killarney,

You're an idiot: what do you think Iran and the Saudis will do if all those obstacles in between them are removed, like Iraq ?

Obama has a massive task, a historic task really, to keep the two main Muslim rivals apart: to keep the Saudis and Jordan and perhaps Turkey busy confronting ISIL, while Iran is persuaded to keep a distance, as long as its client, Assad, is reasonably secure.

If anything, and to sort of second guess the Yanks, they need to degrade but not to destroy ISIL, because if it is totally defeated, then there is not much between Assad and the Saudis. And if the Saudis get involved, trying to put their people in charge of Syria, then Iran will hop in, boots and all, to protect Assad.

Yes, it's sort of a bit more complicated than you might think. Or were you just trying to be provocative, with your seemingly witless comment ?

Very clever !

Cheers,

Joe

Jay, Allah has commanded that the rest of the world is to be converted to Islam.
They are commanded to convert or kill.
Now this no airy fairy ancient concept, it is being enforced NOW!
The moslems right from the beginning in the 7th century have been making war
against their neighbours in the Arabian Peninsular.
There have been many wars initiated by the moslems and many have been into Europe.

They make no secret about it, as their percentage in the population increases they press
for more Islamic compliant rules.
They do not wait for a majority, take their activity in Tower Hamlets in London;
The Islamic patrols harras English women about their dress telling them they are prostitutes
the way they are dressed and that it is a Sharia Law area which they must obey.
They are erecting signs warning that you are entering a Sharia Law area.

There are plenty of videos showing examples.
It is worse in France where police have lost control and French law does not apply in
those suburbs and in some cases large parts of some cities.