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By Richard Heggie, published 19/9/2014A six step plan concentrating on understanding, discussion and humanitarian engagement is the only durable solution to ISIS.
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Posted by David G, Saturday, 20 September 2014 6:41:11 PM
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Hi David G,
Nobody is suggesting that the US is perfect, although one could question who is 'responsible', and why it is, that some kids go to school and to bed hungry in the US. As quite a few kids might be doing tonight in Iraq and Syria, if they can find a place to lay their heads. Move on: there are worse than the Yanks out there, but as soon as the Yanks start beheading and enslaving people, just let us know :) One thing that really disgusts me is the self-pitying and breast-beating of apologists - like it or not, I keep re-playing in my mind that ghastly film clip of Hitler beating his chest and weeping (or making out) about how terribly Germany had been treated, therefore exterminate the Jews. So when I see a handful of people out on the streets with pre-prepared signs and rehearsed slogans, protesting against possible beheadings or bombings by 'their own', I realise with dread that people learn nothing, fascism springs spontaneously from reactionaries. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 20 September 2014 6:59:32 PM
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David G, there you go, diverting the conversation and still blabbering on even though you don't have a leg to stand on.
The only areas where there is that sort of gross violence in the U.S are the Black ghettos and you know it as well as any of us, the crime rates in the areas where few Blacks live are the same as any other European dominated societies. Missouri, last time I looked had a murder rate not far off that of Johannesburg while Vermont and Connecticut had the same murder rate as Melbourne or Sydney. The fact is that black males at about 6% of the population commit over 50% of the homicides,96% of the interracial murders are black on White and near 100% of the blacks killed die at the hands of other blacks, but of course fanatics like you don't care about facts do you? You won't listen to me, I doubt you'll listen to any sensible American Negro analysts who have the facts on their side but here goes anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqQc9nEzA1k Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 20 September 2014 7:18:36 PM
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Joe
You're being dramatic, Hitler made no such speech, you're talking about the speech from Triumph Of The Will? Here's the whole thing with English subtitles, you'll notice him smiling to himself and shaking his head at the reaction of the crowd and hamming it up for the camera, he's enjoying himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0OtwfYahyg Joe that's just how ideologically committed people sound when they're on a roll and among friends, it's confronting to people from a society like Australia which has no political culture but it's not irrational behaviour: Observe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm_EnPLTyVo You must have been to many a protest rally and political meeting so you'd know that all facilitators of such events use much the same techniques, It's been my experience that even if I disagree with the speakers it's impossible to remain unmoved by the electricity in the air during a passionate speech, it's easy to understand how uncommitted people go to these events and come away converted to the point of view on offer. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 20 September 2014 8:16:00 PM
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Reggie Heggis has written an interesting article which really gives insight into the minds of pacifist people who come up with the most incredible "solutions" to avoid world conflict, because they just will not accept that military action can ever produce the best outcome. Reggie has consulted the fairies down the back of his garden and one of them, a little fairy named Ms. Bennis, has come up with a plan to make everybody happy.
First the west must take no military action against ISIS. Oh yeah. That will do a lot of good. Perhaps we should tell the Shiites and Kurds to stop shooting back at ISIS because it makes them mad? Then we should send exchange diplomats with ISIS. Only if Ms. Bennis agrees to become Australia's Ambassador to ISIS. Then we must "initiate a new search for broader diplomatic solutions in the United Nations" and have the UN start "real" negotiations with ending the war in Syria. Since when has the UN ever solved anything, Reggie? UN soldiers (under UN orders) stood by and watched millions of Rwandans being hacked to death with machetes should they do the same in northern Iraq? The UN pleaded with the yanks to use military force save them from the debacle in Somalia when Somali gunmen were laughing at people like you while they gunned them down. Then we must (surprise, surprise) give trillions of dollars to the UN to aid the poor refugees. Money is the Answer to Everything for the true Socialist fairy. Once again they ask the mercantile class who they hate, to stump up with wads of cash to finance the programs which never work, but which employs lots of fairies. And when they don't work, say it is because there is not enough money and they need to hire more fairies. Add infinitum. continued Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 21 September 2014 5:11:26 AM
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The major flaw in Reggie's thinking (there are so many) is that he considers the ISIS boys tom be just really nice guys who are simply angry over something or other. And all we have to do to stop them mass murdering, beheading, crucifying, gang raping, sex slaving, and ethnically cleansing the people they don't like, is to show them how much we love them and care for them. Reggie is worried about what makes the ISIS unhappy. What makes them unhappy Reggie, is that you do not bow down to their stupid and non existent God. You live in a free society where you can pursue your own happiness instead of having every single aspect of your life conforming to God's law. And because of that, they feel they have the right to kill you in every unpleasant way that amuses them, take all your property, and take your female family members as war booty. Could I submit, that the best response to that way of thinking, is a mass of cluster bombs delivered by A-10 Warthogs, followed by an all out assault by the US Marines? Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 21 September 2014 5:15:09 AM
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Of course, many americans live in cardboard boxes and under bridges. Many U.S. kids go to school and to bed hungry.
Most of the American-apologists on OLO know nothing about America, its unemployment, its murder rate, its poor health system, its racist, elitist social system, its imperial mission, etc.
If you think the U.S. is so great well phiss-off , begone!