Ah, the warmongers and their psychotic supporters are beating their drums, licking their lips at the thought of women and kids being blown into small pieces and whole apartment blocks demolished.

Yeah, the world is full of genetically sick and deeply programmed aberrant humans who enjoy this kind of thing, that is killing and destroying.

Soon the armchair generals and would-be flight commanders and salty navy types will engage in 'Mine's bigger than Yours' comparisons on OLO and tell us that dead kids don't matter.

Humans are sick from birth onwards. We have yet to see the full extent of their depravities!

David G as per usual you are correct, if we are not a target now by IS we soon will be, the war game is getting very messy, please Plantagenet don your uniform and off you go to Iraq, perhaps you are also an armchair general, I have donned a uniform in the past and learnt to kill, war proves nothing in the end, Japan an enemy a few years ago and now we are licking their rectum, perhaps in seventy years time we will be licking the rectum of IS and saying how wonderful they are.

Hi Pete,

And if Abbott, like yourself, a 'good man' 'did nothing' ? Would that discourage Muslim youth from ...... what ? I.e., if Abbott did nothing, would psychotics suddenly find their sanity and realise the evil of beheadings and enslavings and massacres, and the value of people with different values, living in relative co-existence: live and let live ?

If you believe that, you have too much faith in human goodness, Pete, you really are too good a person :) After all, 'live and let live' is hardly the slogan of ISIS. Or have I been brainwashed by the Guardian and the Murdoch press ?

David,

Your description of ISIS is most apt:

'Ah, the warmongers and their psychotic supporters are beating their drums, licking their lips at the thought of women and kids being blown into small pieces and whole apartment blocks demolished.

'Yeah, the world is full of genetically sick and deeply programmed aberrant humans who enjoy this kind of thing, that is killing and destroying.'

And what's the basis of that 'deep programming' ? Dick and Jane ? Fluff and Nip ? Or another book, which they've never read ?

Fifty Shades of Grey, maybe. No, they've only seen the videos.

Thanks for your support, mate :)

Cheers,

Joe

Hi Ojnab

If you can't sense that my latest post above in this thread is:

- sarcastically anti-war, and

- I'm concerned that our doings in Iraq will result in revenge terrorism in Australia

Then your knuckles draggeth while you gibber.
--

Hi Loudmouth

With Ojnab accusing me of being too warlike while you accuse me of being too pacifist, what can a stout stud like me do?

Pete

The chance to bomb some Islamic barbarians will no doubt temporarily sate the bloodlust of several of the posters on this site. Facts however have an unpleasant way of intruding.

ISIS is very much a creation of western policy as Trevor Timms (Guardian 10/9/14) Robert Fisk (Independent 12/9/14) and Nafeez Ahmed (Counterpunch 12/9/14) have made abundantly clear.

Not just "policy" but also actively created, financed, armed and trained by the US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others. The origins koi this policy were set out by Seymour Hershey in the New Yorker in 1997 and even earlier in Israel's Yinon Plan (1982). Only the terminally naive believe this is to establish truth, justice and the (American) way of democracy.

A similar pattern existed with the US, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia creation of al Queda in the 1890s, ostensibly to oppose the Russian presence in Afghanistan but in reality to foment unrest in the Muslim regions of the then USSR and China.

That the beast transmutes is not really a concern because they are useful for the endless justification of the GWOT with its unlimited budgets and endless war.

It never seems to occur to the armchair generals on OLO and elsewhere that there are actual geo-political forces at work, largely designed to maintain US full spectrum dominance, economically and militarily.

We are now apparently going back to Iraq in military mode. After all, why not? Iraq 2003-2013 and Afghanistan 2001 to the present have been such brilliant successes in defeating Muslim extremists, along with our ventures in Libya, Sudan, and no doubt others to follow.

Plantagenet at least you made me smile, a stout stud what can I do, just become a stouter stud rather than a stout one