James O'neil agree with you, it is not all black or all white there is always more behind these conflicts than the ordinary public are led to believe by politicians and the media, 23 beheadings in Saudi Arabia in August, is this not worthy of reporting by the Murdoch press, the US supplying arms to Saudi Arabia and others, then onto Isis I want to hear about these things by the Murdoch press rather than some obscure site, let's have the truth Tony and not your one sided version of everything, how many boat people have arrived in Australian waters, we do not know, a fighter jet with a machine gun in the vicinity MH 17 went down, reported by Malaysian newspapers but hushed up by the west, I want to know whether these things are true or false, report it, let us make up our mind, the more you hush things up, the more cynical we become of what you are telling us. A percentage of OLO people do not realise that what one tries to say is what the general public are saying about the warmongering US which creates problems all over the world in the first place, like Iraq now

I'll show you what a croc of BS this whole deception is via this short clip from youtube. Christine Lagarde is head of the IMF and this rendition you will see how our elites hold us in absolute contempt via their deceptions. Christine talks about the magic number 7 and the meaning for the future of our humanity. This is occultism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw&feature=youtu.be There seems to be a block on this link,so google "Occult message in speech by Christine Lagarde of IMF" Graham would not let me post this on a discussion topic.

After viewing this short clip, note two important dates 9/11/2001 and the London Bombings of 7/7/2005. Using Christine Lagarde's logic of the "magic number 7" see this. 9+1+1+2+1 = 14 or 2X7. 7+7+2+5= 21 or 3X7. Note Christine sees the IMF playing an important role. They are going the print the US $ into oblivion and bring in their New World Order via special drawing rights of the IMF. This will be their new global currency of debt oppression.

Night Night Arjay.

But check teddy first.

When you pull teddy apart and find no camera - its not because teddy has no camera.

Its because teddy's camera was just:

REMOVED 7 minutes ago :-)

Poirot

You are deliberately attempting to "skew" the topic of this thread which is about whether Abbott's aggression is justified.

Why, in that case, would I wish to become involved with another of your generic rants on the subject of govt?

If you wait a couple of threads, I'm sure you'll get a chance to deploy your ACME auto double-standards partisan worship of big government with hypocritical self-contradictory followed by dishonest evasion button and spill your bile over successive posts.

You were saying Abbott's aggressive violence is not okay, remember?

So, come on, stop squirming and floundering. Is aggressive violence okay if it's done by government, or not? You support it in every single disagreement you've had with me, remember? You stand for the principle of open-ended unlimited aggressive violence by government, remember?

But if not then on what principle should government power be limited?

Peter-Pedo-Quim-Rimmer-Dim-BrainGram

Oh wise one who has no ideology and uses no theory to understand or explain political economy, but just receives 'pragmatic' inspiration - the government should control everything - direct from God.

I say you're contradicting yourself and when challenged hiding behind your usual ad hominem and circularity.

Prove me wrong:
Is aggressive violence okay if it's done by government, or not?
On what principle should government power be limited?

I don't know if Australia getting involved in another one of the middle east's endless wars is the correct position to take, or not.

This is a very interesting and important question that really does need careful consideration. But as usual, all we get from the America haters is their reflexive "America is always wrong" crap and "Australia is always wrong if we follow America."

From what I understand, this is now a NATO problem. Even the wimpy Germans are coming to the realisation that having an oil rich terrorist state stacked with arms and money is a serious threat to all of Europe, since the stupid Euros were dumb enough to import millions of ISIL, Al Shabbab,Al Nusra Front, HAMAS, Al Qaida and PLO supporters into their countries.

Could I remind the America haters that President Obama is a pacifist president elected on the peace vote and a stated commitment to end US involvement in middle eastern wars? If even he is getting alarmed enough to send US forces back to Iraq then the situation must be grim indeed.

We can't ask the Muslims to do the fighting because every single Muslim nation is backing one or another terrorist organisation which is presently fighting each other. This is primarily a Sunni/Shiite fight and all we are interested in doing is trying to keep the oil flowing and to help protect the Christians and Kurds who are in danger of being exterminated by one crazy faction or another.

It is probably a good thing that the RAAF is getting bombing practice dropping real live bombs on real live Muslim terrorists. It should help us a lot when the Muslims do to us in Australia what they are doing everywhere else in the world.

Here's an article worth reading for us to glean a little understanding of the tangled web of enmities and allegiances that exist in the Middle-East.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/opinion/sunday/thomas-l-friedman-obamas-strategy-for-fighting-isis-isnt-all-about-us.html

"THERE are three things in life that you should never do ambivalently: get married, buy a house or go to war. Alas, we’re about to do No. 3. Should we?

President Obama clearly took this decision to lead the coalition to degrade and destroy the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, with deep ambivalence. How could he not? Our staying power is ambiguous, our enemy is barbarous, our regional allies are duplicitous, our European allies are feckless and the Iraqis and Syrians we’re trying to help are fractious. There is not a straight shooter in the bunch."

"Before we step up the bombing campaign on ISIS, it needs to be absolutely clear on whose behalf we are fighting. ISIS did not emerge by accident and from nowhere. It is the hate-child of two civil wars in which the Sunni Muslims have been crushed. One is the vicious civil war in Syria in which the Iranian-backed Alawite-Shiite regime has killed roughly 200,000 people, many of them Sunni Muslims, with chemical weapons and barrel bombs. And the other is the Iraqi civil war in which the Iranian-backed Shiite government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki systematically stripped the Sunnis of Iraq of their power and resources.

There will be no self-sustained stability unless those civil wars are ended and a foundation is laid for decent governance and citizenship. Only Arabs and Muslims can do that by ending their sectarian wars and tribal feuds. We keep telling ourselves that the problem is “training,” when the real problem is governance. We spent billions of dollars training Iraqi soldiers who ran away from ISIS’s path — not because they didn’t have proper training, but because they knew that their officers were corrupt hacks who were not appointed on merit and that the filthy Maliki government was unworthy of fighting for. We so underestimate how starved Arabs are, in all these awakenings, for clean, decent governance."