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It is time for Muslims to clean up their own mess : Comments

By Waxa Daabacay, published 10/9/2014

How long will Muslims curse and accuse America for being the cause of all their ills and yet hide behind American tanks and drones when their home grown monsters wreak havoc on the lives of Muslim people.

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If our Western Oligarchs had not invaded countries like Iraq ,and Libya for oil ,then there would be no need for Jihadists .There is plenty of evidence that ISIS was created by the West as an excuse to go back into Iraq to secure the oil again.http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-nsa-documents-reveal/5391593

It is a continual litany of lies coming out of the West as they try to bring in their New World Order of fascism.

Germany is looking like joining the BRICS and that will be a huge game changer.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 6:55:48 AM
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Some suggestions on why Muslims might be able to be motivated to clean up their own mess are in 'Challenging the Idea of an Islamic State'.
http://cpds.apana.org.au/Teams/Articles/discouraging_extremism.htm#6_9_14

The basic point is that Muslim societies seem likely to have experienced centuries of economic backwardness and political problems because of systemic constraints on initiative in responding to changing circumstances. Initiative seems to be suppressed because it is presumed that communal pressure (rather than individual self-discipline) should be relied up to ensure appropriate behaviour by individuals. The radicals who see Islamism (ie making Islam the basis of government) would simply exacerbate the mess that the Muslim world arguably suffers because of a lack of emphasis on the self-disciple required for individual initiative to be tolerated.
Posted by CPDS, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 9:49:45 AM
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Arjay,

"If our Western Oligarchs had not invaded countries like Iraq ,and Libya for oil ,then there would be no need for Jihadists"

No, jihad has been an essential part of Islam since the invention of the religion in the 7th century, there's always a need for jihadis. American imperialism has certainly provided justification, however as the author states, the underlying cause is the culture of Islamic societies themselves.
Posted by mac, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 10:24:13 AM
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Islam is a religion of strife, and it's been that way ever since their Prophet died.
The single biggest factor in the upsurge of fundamentalism and terrorism has been Saudi Arabia, their Wahhabi sect has billions in oil revenue to play with and has been funding fundamentalist schools all across the world, promoting their anti-everything mentality, they basically want to return the world to the 16th century and are willing to kill everyone and anyone to achieve this goal. Until the West confronts this scourge AT THE SOURCE the killing, torture and rapes will continue unabated.
A Final Crusade is now virtually inevitable, even if the West tries to avoid it the militant terrorists will force it upon us.
A far better and ultimately less costly response would be to accept that reality and strike first, before they get even more organised and better armed. Take the House of Saud out of SA, wipe out the fundamentalist school network world-wide and enforce real secular education everywhere, force ALL Muslim nations to separate church and state, then we may eventually keep some of the civilisation our predecessors built for us, otherwise we will lose it all, ignorance and violence trump morals and rationality every time.
Here in the West we fought long and hard to rid ourselves of our turbulent priests and our societies blossomed thereafter, it's time to finish that job on a global scale!
The sooner we begin the less will be the final cost in suffering and destruction.
Posted by G'dayBruce, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 10:52:32 AM
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Quote "Germany is looking like joining the BRICS and that will be a huge game changer."

Can't blame them the American bankers will not give them there gold back that they deposited their.
They won't even let them go and inspect it to see if it is still there.
They were going to give the a small fraction like 300 tons over 5 years.

Something fishy in the US banking system.
Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 11:25:03 AM
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Fishy?
I'd have said...pustulent!
and yet they're STILL more honest than Australia's system!
Posted by G'dayBruce, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 11:34:50 AM
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