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It is time for Muslims to clean up their own mess : Comments
By Waxa Daabacay, published 10/9/2014How long will Muslims curse and accuse America for being the cause of all their ills and yet hide behind American tanks and drones when their home grown monsters wreak havoc on the lives of Muslim people.
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Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 6:55:48 AM
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Some suggestions on why Muslims might be able to be motivated to clean up their own mess are in 'Challenging the Idea of an Islamic State'.
http://cpds.apana.org.au/Teams/Articles/discouraging_extremism.htm#6_9_14 The basic point is that Muslim societies seem likely to have experienced centuries of economic backwardness and political problems because of systemic constraints on initiative in responding to changing circumstances. Initiative seems to be suppressed because it is presumed that communal pressure (rather than individual self-discipline) should be relied up to ensure appropriate behaviour by individuals. The radicals who see Islamism (ie making Islam the basis of government) would simply exacerbate the mess that the Muslim world arguably suffers because of a lack of emphasis on the self-disciple required for individual initiative to be tolerated. Posted by CPDS, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 9:49:45 AM
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Arjay,
"If our Western Oligarchs had not invaded countries like Iraq ,and Libya for oil ,then there would be no need for Jihadists" No, jihad has been an essential part of Islam since the invention of the religion in the 7th century, there's always a need for jihadis. American imperialism has certainly provided justification, however as the author states, the underlying cause is the culture of Islamic societies themselves. Posted by mac, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 10:24:13 AM
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Islam is a religion of strife, and it's been that way ever since their Prophet died.
The single biggest factor in the upsurge of fundamentalism and terrorism has been Saudi Arabia, their Wahhabi sect has billions in oil revenue to play with and has been funding fundamentalist schools all across the world, promoting their anti-everything mentality, they basically want to return the world to the 16th century and are willing to kill everyone and anyone to achieve this goal. Until the West confronts this scourge AT THE SOURCE the killing, torture and rapes will continue unabated. A Final Crusade is now virtually inevitable, even if the West tries to avoid it the militant terrorists will force it upon us. A far better and ultimately less costly response would be to accept that reality and strike first, before they get even more organised and better armed. Take the House of Saud out of SA, wipe out the fundamentalist school network world-wide and enforce real secular education everywhere, force ALL Muslim nations to separate church and state, then we may eventually keep some of the civilisation our predecessors built for us, otherwise we will lose it all, ignorance and violence trump morals and rationality every time. Here in the West we fought long and hard to rid ourselves of our turbulent priests and our societies blossomed thereafter, it's time to finish that job on a global scale! The sooner we begin the less will be the final cost in suffering and destruction. Posted by G'dayBruce, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 10:52:32 AM
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Quote "Germany is looking like joining the BRICS and that will be a huge game changer."
Can't blame them the American bankers will not give them there gold back that they deposited their. They won't even let them go and inspect it to see if it is still there. They were going to give the a small fraction like 300 tons over 5 years. Something fishy in the US banking system. Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 11:25:03 AM
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Fishy?
I'd have said...pustulent! and yet they're STILL more honest than Australia's system! Posted by G'dayBruce, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 11:34:50 AM
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An extremely powerful message and impossible to argue against evocation; to stand up and be counted on the side of the angels and sanity!
My singing soul and the goosebumps it creates, tells me this truly impressive message has the ring of irrefutable truth in each and every line! Were that you were the one pounding the pulpit in all the Mosques and Madrases, the world over Sir! We wouldn't be talking about war unrest and hunger, but rather how funds rerouted from endless, useless, wasteful wars, were making a real difference in the lives of disadvantaged and dispossessed peoples the world over! Very well done and my undying admiration Sir! Rhrosty. Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 11:43:55 AM
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@Arjay, Posted Wednesday, 10 September 2014 6:55:48 AM
"Germany is looking like joining the BRICS and that will be a huge game changer." Any verifying link to go with that? Game changer, indeed. That would make the Beijing-Moscow-Berlin New Silk Road a reality, and wouldn't the world be a better place were that to happen!! I do, however, wonder if it is even possible. Not only does the US hold Germany's sovereign wealth in the form of its gold bullion, but Germany is still an occupied (by the US) country. Posted by halduell, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 11:46:36 AM
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halduell - Quote "Not only does the US hold Germany's sovereign wealth in the form of its gold bullion,"
The question is do they or have they sold it? If they won't even let them inspect it, suspicion says it is not their. Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 1:40:11 PM
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@Philip S, Posted Wednesday, 10 September 2014 1:40:11 PM
Oh, I expect they still have it. Why would they have sold it when since WWII any time they (the US) wanted money they have been able to just print the stuff. But whether or not they will ever return it, or simply consider it spoils of war such as Libya's and the Ukraine's, is another question. But I don't know, and without being shown the gold, can anyone? I'll bet the Germans wonder... Posted by halduell, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 3:37:17 PM
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yep Islamic doctrine is as sick as secular doctrine in that encourages gross immorality, promotes perversion, pretends porn is harmless and takes as many of our young lives through suicide as suicide bombers do.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 8:24:54 PM
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Dr Jim Willie has been saying for a while that Germany will break from the EU and NATO. Germany knows the meaning of hyper-inflation via the Weimar Republic. The USA/Europe Central Bankers are destroying our currencies via QE. Germany also has 3000 companies that trade with Russia. They unlike us,will not trash their money or economy. http://www.silverdoctors.com/tag/jim-willie/
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 8:45:56 PM
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All religions are the same filling peoples minds with the ridiculous, virgins waiting in heaven, no taking of another person's blood, do not use birth control, the list goes on and on, the Koran and Bible are books of hate and supposed to be of love, Catholic versus Church of England, wars break out, my Koran is right your Bible is wrong or vice versa, Governments all over the world are corrupt, truth never being told to the masses, keep them in the dark, excess wealth by the gentry, it's mine, mine, to hell with all you people starving, I will attend church and pray to my God or Allah because my wealth will get me a ticket to heaven.
The media lie to feed the masses only what they feel they should be told, but never once again the truth. Yes, corruption is paramount everywhere, so we deserve what we get, whether all exterminated by the arms race or perhaps for the better outlook we should learn to help all human beings as one and completely forget about those two books of complete rubbish. Posted by Ojnab, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 9:23:53 PM
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'All religions are the same filling peoples minds with the ridiculous '
thankfully all people don't make such ignorant statements Ojnab Posted by runner, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 10:03:28 PM
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Posted by runner, Thursday, 11 September 2014 8:32:48 PM
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Actually, I think killing the leaders might well be a master stroke.
Look what happened to Islam when Mohammad died ! They are still fighting over who succeeded him ! You have to remember they have a built in personality fault. They just cannot accept someone taking something they believe is theirs. They are like small children & it shows as a tribal society. Compromise is beyond their understanding outside the tribe. You can see this in the Arab/Israel dispute. No compromise is possible Israel must go away one way or another. Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 11 September 2014 11:03:10 PM
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Extremely well written article, except for one thing, Waxa Dubaskay, you only IMPLIED that Islam was the problem instead of spitting it right out. Your position seemed to be, that only a fundamentalist form of Islam was the problem, when Islam is a fundamentaluist religion which has no concept of a "liberal" Islam.
Mohammad in his Hadiths claimed that Islam was perfect and could never change or be altered in any way. So nothing less than a full scale attack upon the very scriptures of Islam can shock Muslims out of their zombie like faith. Fortunately, this is starting to happen right now. Mullahs and Imams are squirming while trying to justify the "sword" verses in the Koran and Hadith's to western intellectuals who have the brains to figure out hat Islam is a threat to their very existence. Nobody has dared to ever do that before. But people like Theo van Gogh, Hirsan Ali, Geert Wilders and Pym Portyn are incredibly courageous individuals, two of whom have already been murdered by Islam. We walk in their shadows and these people show our present crop of pseudo liberals what real liberals really are. Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 13 September 2014 3:54:22 AM
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Tony Abbott in his statement about the increased security risk level
said it was not about religion. He did not even say what religion it was not about. B;567y hell, what else does he think it is about ! ?? It is about Islam wanting multiculturalism until they can force all of us at the point of a sword to accept their mono theocratic culture ! Until we force the politians to recognise it for what it is the problem will just get worse. The politician's attitude is very similar to what I see when I have discussed the end of growth and peak oil with politicians. They seem to understand, yet cannot act. They even suppress their own governments reports. What's the betting they are suppressing reports about moslims. Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 13 September 2014 12:27:01 PM
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It is a continual litany of lies coming out of the West as they try to bring in their New World Order of fascism.
Germany is looking like joining the BRICS and that will be a huge game changer.