Not an easy topic. Some bullet point for consideration
- People charged with other crimes often get named publicly. Many of the arguments that apply here also apply to other allegations.
- In DV accusations the accuser and accused may both have a significant financial and persnal stake in the outcome regardless of the truth of what happened
- Its not just feminists who have driven the gendered lies around DV, those who cling to whatever passes for traditional models of the family also promote many of the same gendered views.
- Many of the benefits of false allegations are there regardless of naming and shaming, the bigger issue is to remove the motivations for false allegations while protecting those genuninely abused from futher harm as far as practical. I'm nervous about penalties for false allegations for a number of reasons. Hard to prove, a hindrance to people with a genuine but hard to prove complaint makingnthat complaint (and the habit of the law in going to far).
- Killarneys ongoing passion for feminist DV research has been done to death, her mocking of research that actually looks at numbers rather than promoting findings that comply with feminist dogma is an unpleasant and dishonest tactic and I think she is enough into the topic to understand that.
- Often tools put in place to help victims in the family space seem to be manipulated by the actual abusers and are not sufficiently resourced and monitored to achieve the intended outcomes.

R0bert

Strangely, find myself mostly agreeing with Killarney!
Who pretty much says it all!
Rhrosty.

RObert is right in that it isn't only women's or men's interest groups who have a stake in commenting on domestic violence issues, but also churches and other more traditional organizations.

As Killarney rightly stated "It's a carry-over from much more patriarchal times, when a man's home was his castle and anything he chose to do there was HIS business and outside of the law."
Some radical community groups and church groups put great emphasis on the man being the "boss" in his home (because some religious book written by men said it is so) and thus don't want any new laws around that could challenge that unwritten law.

I don't agree with the assertion that it was the women and children who 'pushed' the man to hit them, and thus not really his fault. What rubbish!
If a woman is bashed and the man seems unhurt, then a police charge against the man should be laid, and vise versa too of course.

What get's me is that if a random man or woman is found bashed on the street alone, then a full investigation is commenced with police all over it, and usually someone is found to be guilty and is charged , and it's all over the papers.

If a woman is found bashed in her home, it is usually assumed first off that it is someone she knows, and it doesn't seem to be as serious for the police investigation and unless she dies we don't hear about it in the papers.

Why is that?
Is the woman bashed on the street by a stranger any less hurt than the one bashed by someone she knows at home?
We have a long way to go before both men and women can feel more safe in their own homes...

It's simple really,

If you have a restraining order against you,be it
either male or female, then simply restain yourself
from going near the ex-partner or if that is not possible
because of access to children etc. then refrain from
any violent acts or stalking towards your partner.

No problemo! Thanks Arnie.

Hearing Bill Shorten have to face the media about being accussed of rape is poetic justic. I wonder why we haven't heard the 'women dont lie about things like this' brigade now?

Dane, we haven't been told what actually happened in that case have we?
How do you know she lied?

Maybe it couldn't be proved ....like the case of the PM punching the wall on both sides of a woman's head at Uni all those years ago?

Some people lie, and that's a fact, but gender has nothing to do with that...