RE: the freezing of the body to obtain immortality.

Immortality, is given to us in the only
form currently "known" in the Human knowledge base.

It's called reproduction. Whereby the aging human cells
reproduce themselves in the form of new offspring.

This is not enough for the introspective human being
who wishes not to die at all.

And yet, everyday the Universe demonstrates before our
very eyes the urgency it places on the cycle of life and the
newly born, grown, etc. as the only way to keep the universe
ongoing.

Proof of the only immortality, writ large. Man of course makes
up stories he likes better, usually that don't contain proof of
his own demise.

No matter what delusions man invents, nature will eventually override
those delusions and have it's way.

Back to Dr Nitschke and the idea of rational suicide,

I think there are certainly cases of irrational suicide
But there are also just as many cases of rational suicide.
It is not a case of one or the other but both.

The the man in his 40's who committed suicide
had one of the most rational reasons for committing
suicide I've heard.

Possibly,three murdered women to his credit, and
the police on the verge of arresting him to spend
perhaps a life-time in prison.

Could the doctors and Beyond-Blue,please tell
me how the murder of 3women could possibly be turned
into a hopeful concept in this man's conscience if that
is why he has suicided. Is it
not perfectly rational for him to see the stark reality of
his life and not want to live it anymore.

He has in fact probably done the women he perhaps
murdered an act of atonement and saved the taxpayers
millions of dollars keeping him in prison for the next
20years. I think in this case it is indeed a case
of rational suicide.

It is at the very least, by him forfeiting his life
justice for his victims, whose lives he perhaps forfeited

Dear David,

<<The mind does not survive the death of the body.>>

Quite possible indeed and in that case, once you die you also lose your mind as well as your body.

But what has this got to do with YOU?

Dear Yuyutsu,

Quite simply it means my mind is part of my body. I am not a machine with a separate mind. The mind is part of the machine.

Humanity is a species with two life forms a single celled and a multicelled form which alternate generations.The multicelled form has a 100% mortality. The single celled forms have a very high mortality, but some of them unite with another single celled form to form a multicelled form which will in turn produce single celled forms. The single forms have similar complexity of mind to other single celled forms such as bacteria or protozoans.

There are two kinds of single celled forms. One admits the other kind of simple celled form to unite with it and grow into another multicelled form. The other kind of single celled form is more active and will swim up a channel to unite. There are two main kinds of multicelled forms with many variations. The most common variations of multicelled forms are called male and female. Their coming together is called sexual intercourse. However, much of the literature, art and poetry of human society is based on the various social rituals and mindsets preceding the act itself. The association of the two main forms can continue after the act. The continued association may include repetitions of the act.

Dear David,

This is all so, but what has this unexpected lesson in biology to do with our former conversation or with the topic at hand?

Dear Yuyutsu,

We are all of a piece. We are like the other animals in our biology. Our body is not a separate entity from our mind.

It seems you are unaware of these elementary facts.

I was still responding to your statement:

"Thank heaven for that - because God is not an entity, nor are you."

An entity is something that exists in itself, actually or hypothetically. It need not be of material existence. In particular, abstractions and legal fictions are usually regarded as entities. In general, there is also no presumption that an entity is animate.

Therefore, both God, a creation of human imagination, and I are entities. Apparently you have your own idiosyncratic definition of entity as you have your own idiosyncratic definition of religion,