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Conservatism and climate science : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 24/6/2014

Given that they have had virtually a monopoly of the mass media, the government and the scientific academies, doesn't that point to a fundamental problem with the 'climate change' message?

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Ant,

You seem to be disputing Leo’s claim that <<Satellite(s) temperature record shows no warming for 17 years 6 months as at February 2014>>

There is no disputing it –the official warmist publications now openly admit it—see here:
<<Sixteen years into the mysterious ‘global-warming hiatus’, scientists are piecing together an explanation….Now, as the global-warming hiatus enters its sixteenth year, scientists are at last making headway in the case of the missing heat. …
http://www.nature.com/news/climate-change-the-case-of-the-missing-heat-1.14525

It’s another one of those heads-we-win-tales-you-lose games true believers like to play:

First, deny it is happening “what hiatus?”

But when they think they have an excuse it becomes-- "Oh yes it happened...BUT”

And that sort of behaviour loses you any independent thinkers –Poirot and Steele will still be lead along by the nose –but anyone not motivated by political extremism, will shy away.
Posted by SPQR, Thursday, 3 July 2014 6:44:39 PM
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The cessation of global warming is confirmed by NOAA’s temperature record, ant. I drew your attention to NOAA’s tampering with the temperature record to change a cooling trend to a warming trend. Steele, you will recall, smeared the originator of the report, but neither he nor any one else contradicted the record tampering by NOAA, which now comes up, in the article to which you link, with the usual irrelevant “hottest day”assertions. Typical fraud backing article, ant, no science and no relevance. Much like your posts.
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 3 July 2014 10:09:06 PM
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Dear SPQR,

Well you have some gumption I will give you that. Back after quoting from your poster boy Dr Dowdye Jnr. I thought you might have retired to fight another day leaving us with the 'Tinkmiester'.

Okay so what do you have for us now? Oh the old 'hiatus' story huh. Well my friend that has kind of been superseded by April's global temperature figures which were the second highest on record and by May's figures which were the highest.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/glob/201404.gif

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/glob/201405.gif

Now that is some inconvenient truth right there.

On a lighter note I did enjoy this piece from Huffington Post;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/davidgoldstein/interview-with-a-climate-change_b_5325343.html
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 3 July 2014 11:56:11 PM
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Yes Leo --I remember well how <<Steele... smeared the originator of the report>>

Yes indeed, that was what I was referring to.When Steele was asked to comment on the reasons for the hiatus. He denied it --he smeared it --he did everything a blind-faith believer would do.

But to be fair to Steele perhaps he hadn't caught up with his reading. He might not have read the latest AGW church fathers encyclical.

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Dear Steele,

You missing the point [AGAIN!]. The warmist authorities *ADMIT* [repeat-- ADMIT] the hiatis. You cannot deny it away by cherry picking a few hot days.

<<Dr Dowdye Jnr...>>
I stand by my proposition look at his theories on their merits.
One day when you're wiser you will wake up to it ...I can see it now you're shuffle down Bourke street in you're walking frame when it suddenly hits you ..."Gosh SPQR was right after all!"
Posted by SPQR, Friday, 4 July 2014 7:30:40 AM
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Dr Natalia Shakhova was interviewed by Nick Breeze via skype in relation to a winter trip she had come back from the East Siberian Arctic Shelf earlier this year. She commented that water temperatures were significantly higher than they should be by 6-7 degrees.

I have been continually going to a site that discusses what is happening in the Arctic Region; a couple of days ago the melt rate had been about 6th or 7th in relation to the particular day. A quote from the particular site:
"NSIDC just posted a 171k drop for 2nd July 2014, which puts 2014 just 148k behind 2012 on NSIDC extent figures. If this year continues at its present rate, it will pass 2012 NSIDC figures by 5th July 2014."

That does not necessarily mean that ice melt will reach the extent of 2012 by September, but currently ice melt is well on the way to beating the extent of sea ice extent of 2012.

Ice melt in the Arctic moves a bit like a yoyo, the point I'm making is that temperatures are quite high in the Arctic region at present.
As area covered by water opens up, the ice becomes more subject to cyclonic activity; the longer the fetch of waves pushed by storms, the greater the damage they can do.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

Comments by Dr Shakhova in relation to temperature anomalies in the East Siberian Arctic Shelf, and the extent of sea ice breakdown are an indication there has been an increase in temperature in the Arctic region. Also, borne out by high temperatures in Alaska during the winter period, and high temperatures in Northern Canada at present.
Posted by ant, Friday, 4 July 2014 8:25:54 AM
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ITS SAD/SOME SET/OUT\TO DIVIDE/MOCK\moctone-refutes.
to heal/the divide/note the reveal/at 1/hour;14 minute mark
http://rss.infowars.com/20140703_Thu_Alex.mp3

other factors/im noting warmongering increases temp/
hot time comming up/or rather gowing-down/
down/ALEX JONES BROADCAST/EXPLAINS

OTHER;/WHY/bother/borther[not re-direction/of\effort
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/timely-posters-of-the-day/ http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/rabbi-calls-for-more-bloodshed-via-facbook/ Back in 800 AD, a bunch of Central Asian Khazars converted to Judaism, and now because they have adopted the religion of the ancient Hebrews claim a higher right to the lands of Palestine than the Palestinians who have been there for two thousand years.

This article points out the silliness of that claim! http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/tiredfingers.php EXAMPLES OF HATE SPEECH BY ISRAEL AGAINST PALESTINE
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/zionists-heightens-blumenthal.html http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/palestinians.php

"We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/cia-terrorism-brought-home/ Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/israel-preparing-new-military-offensive-gaza/ In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day."
(Michael Ben-Yair, 3 March 2002) (emphasis added) http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/activists-mobilize-palestinians-face-israeli-onslaught/ ISRAEL & PALESTINE: THE MAPS TELL THE TRUE STORY
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

The truth is that far from being the poor victim it likes to portray itself as, Israel is in fact the most aggressive and belligerent nation in the region, having invaded pretty much everyone it shares a border with.

The following maps show just who is wiping who off of the map!
Posted by one under god, Friday, 4 July 2014 8:56:40 AM
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