Hi Joe

Yes long term Iraqi solutions to Iraq's many problems are desirable. Like Afghanistan Iraq should not be a perpetual "junkie" resentful but reliant on massive foreign aid and military assistance.

What do mean by "extraditions"?:

- extradition of jihadis back to Australia? This would again make them resident responsibilities of Australia. That is exactly what our government doesn't want.

- extradition of Sunni jihadis to Syria or Iraq? They would be murdered by those governments without trial.

Hi Is Mise,

Well, yes, of course, but surely there are arrangements between governments which presuppose friendly relations between them ? Otherwise situations would arise in which a dual citizen can work for one government against the interests of the other with impunity. Surely that's not what was ever intended ?

Plantaganet,

I had in mind extradition from an Australian entry-point back to either their 'other' citizenship country, or a third country which is willing to take them. Or else, if Australia decided to revoke their Australian citizenship, they would become stateless. Perhaps if they then applied for entry as refugees, they could be transferred to Manus Island or Nauru and wait their turn.

Yes, 'extradition of Sunni jihadis to Syria or Iraq? They would be murdered by those governments without trial.'

That would be regrettable. But presumably, if a jihadi was a citizen of both Australia and either Iraq or Syria, and if dual-citizenship implies some mutual arrangement between the relevant governments, including the agreement to extradite their citizens back to face charges, then that may happen. Being a dual-citizen jihadi has its risks.

Joe

Joe

Where you say "they could be transferred to Manus Island or Nauru and wait their turn."

Australia doesn't want to give them a "turn".

I have a feeling jihadis on Manus Island or Nauru would be rather more violent than those camps are used to. They would also radicalise young males in the camp populations, fight any Shiites around, cause (what Tony Abbott calls) "mischief" and still be an Australian responsibility.

I don't think PNG or Nauru are ready or would accept such a permanent terror problem or have laws to handle them.

"I don't think PNG or Nauru are ready or would accept such a permanent terror problem or have laws to handle them."

Well the Salvation Army have turned out to be pretty good at macheteing refugees in the head, maybe they should send them?

Sort of tongue in cheek, Pete :)

I don't know how a former jihadi could prove that they HADN'T committed any offence against a government that they were fighting against, the country of which they were a citizen, as well as being an Australian citizen. Maybe the easiest alternative would be for them to apply to go to a third country, or become stateless.

But dual-citizenship is surely not some sort of refuge for jihadis - they can't commit offences in one country and then easily slip back into another, both of which they are citizens of ?

Joe

You got it all wrong Joe. The ABC now has 150 new martyrs to make heroes out of, just like Hicks and Habib. Heaven forbid that any of these sods get killed by a US drone strike, or the ABC will go into paroxysms of self righteous indignation railing against the human rights abuses by the USA against terrorists.

Our government has still not told us how many of these sods are on Disability Support Pensions.