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Abbott, Obama and the new battle over climate agenda : Comments

By Benjamin Jones, published 13/6/2014

If Howard and Bush were in ideological harmony, Obama and Abbott are near polar opposites in many crucial regards.

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Raycom, you say (to ant):

"You may be interested to know that the APS is having second thoughts", then follow it up with a link to a blog article by James Delingpole who said:

"The American Physical Society (APS) has signalled a dramatic turnabout in its position on "climate change" by appointing three notorious climate skeptics (Lindzen, Christy and Curry) to its panel on public affairs (POPA)."

If people here don't know who James Delinpole is then just do a Google search.

For what it's worth, the following people are on APS's 'Panel on Public Affairs' - (see dates).

Chair: Robert L Jaffe (01/14 - 12/14)

Chair Elect: Steven Elliot Koonin (01/14 - 12/14)

Vice Chair: William A Barletta (01/14 - 12/14)

Past Chair: Robert Rosner (01/14 - 12/14)

Vice President: Dr Homer A Neal (01/14 - 12/14)

Member: Robin Cote (01/14 - 12/16)

Member: Philip E Coyle (01/13 - 12/15)

Member: Angel E Garcia (01/13 - 12/15)

Member: William H Goldstein (01/13 - 12/15)

Member: Mark William Goodman (01/12 - 12/14)

Member: R. Scott Kemp (01/12 - 12/14)

Industrial Fellow Observer: Steven Lambert (01/14 - 12/15)

Member: Prof Michael Marder (01/14 - 12/16)

Member: C William McCurdy (01/14 - 12/16)

Member: Timothy Isaac Meyer (01/12 - 12/14)

Member: Julia M Phillips (01/13 - 12/15)

Member: Stephen T Pratt (01/14 - 12/16)

Member: Michael D Rosenthal (01/13 - 12/15)

Member, FPS Rep.: Philip L Taylor (01/13 - 12/15)

Member: Thomas N Theis (01/12 - 12/14)

Member: James Daniel Wells (01/14 - 12/16)

Member, Chair of PPC: Michael S Turner (01/14 - 12/14)

Member, Congressional Fellow: Erin Elizabeth Boyd (01/14 - 12/14)

Advisor: Samuel H Aronson (01/14 - 12/16)

Advisor: Malcolm R Beasley (01/13 - 12/15)

http://www.aps.org/about/governance/committees/popa/index.cfm

Seems Mr Delingpole is making stuff up to fool people like Raycom
Posted by DavidK, Sunday, 15 June 2014 4:49:53 PM
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Leo, your reference is about as good as requesting a report from Reynard the fox in relation to the state of the hen house.
Raycom, yes I have seen that article before about Lindzen et al.

The big but is that since the beginning of this year there have been a number of anomalous weather patterns that have occurred in a number of nations. Its something I've mentioned in relation to a number of articles on OLO.
An example, is small shrubs, ponds and lakes developing in tundra areas.
Posted by ant, Sunday, 15 June 2014 4:58:59 PM
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Isn't it interesting that Obama lost all interest in discussing the global warming scam with Tony Abbott, when something more important cane up, like a little international trouble.

Yes, he wants to use the scam to reward his election fund donors in the alternate energy industry, but he suddenly needs our support more.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 15 June 2014 5:12:30 PM
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Delingpole is incorrect.The APS has not appointed Richard Lindzen, John Christy and Judith Curry to the Panel, but has requested them to assist in the Panel workshop considering the content of the current statement.. Delingpole’s optimism is not warranted, but there is nevertheless some chance that the APS will revert to a truthful statement to replace the current false one shown in ant's post.

The APS says:”Contrary to some blog reports, APS has not appointed Richard Lindzen, John Christy or Judith Curry to its Panel on Public Affairs (POPA). APS recently asked these scientists, as well as William Collins, Isaac Held and Benjamin Santer, to participate in a workshop to inform the POPA committee during the statement review process.”
http://www.aps.org/about/pressreleases/climatereview.cfm
ant, as usual shows no scientific basis to link any of the items that she raises, in her post, to AGW, or any science to show any measurable effect of human emissions on climate. As always, she steadfastly ignores science.
Posted by Leo Lane, Sunday, 15 June 2014 11:01:29 PM
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DavidK, assumably you would be aware that none of the 25 APS members you list has tabled empirical scientific evidence that substantiates the AGW hypothesis.

Ant, where is the empirical scientific evidence to back your assertion/inference that the anomalous weather patterns are human-induced?
Posted by Raycom, Sunday, 15 June 2014 11:46:58 PM
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"Assumably" (sic)

Presumably, Raycom, you are still spreading the lies of Mr Delingpole.

"The American Physical Society (APS) has signalled a dramatic turnabout in its position on "climate change" by appointing three notorious climate skeptics (Lindzen, Christy and Curry) to its panel on public affairs (POPA)."

Fact checking skills are not your strong point, obviously.

Neither is your understanding of APS structure, or the physics they represent.

http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm
Posted by DavidK, Monday, 16 June 2014 6:53:22 AM
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