<Ok JAY OF MELBOURNE...I give up ! You can't beat Stats !
<Posted by o sung wu, Thursday, 12 June 2014 5:45:10 PM

The real fact is you can beat statistics, you can manipulate statistics very easily.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050308115735/http://www.nojustice.info/Research/ManufacturingResearch.htm

See Manufacturing research.

also 'Lies Damned Lies and Lenore Weitzman.
http://www.acbr.com/biglie.htm

R0bert

I've read enough of your posting history to know about your background and how personally this issue affects you. However, I believe your own experience has distorted your view of the whole issue.

I don't know how long ago your experience happened, but the police attitudes, Family Court procedures and general prejudices you describe towards male DV victims do not tally with the personal experiences I've had in regard to DV (although I've never been directly abused by a partner.)

I don't usually like to use anecdotal observations as an argument, but I've encountered among my friends and acquaintances a few menwho have either been genuine DV victims or pretended to be DV victims thinking it would give them an advantage in the Family Court system (despite Howard's FC reforms making this redundant). Yet I've never come across the anti-male attitudes you describe - among the police, or lawyers, or Family Court or people generally.

My own view about articles like this is twofold.

One is that they are part of a so-called men's movement whose only interest in gender violence is within the marital separation/divorce context - because men have a personal vested interest. These groups completely and deliberately ignore the wider - and very extensive - problem of gender violence, mostly perpetrated by men.

The other is that this movement comes almost exclusively out of the US, where anyone who can afford an expensive lawyer or get enough legal aid can smear the ex's reputation with a DV charge or two and thus take their ex to the cleaners - get the house, the bank account, the share portfolio, pension plan and 100% child custody.

It's a situation that simply does NOT fit the Australian Family Law context, with its system of mediation, 50-50 child residency and much fairer asset splits. This largely fictitious anti-male-bias DV scenario not only gives Australian men a distorted view of the Australian divorce system, but is actually discouraging genuine male DV victims from getting the help they need.

Killarney, Firstly feminist researchers expanded the definition of domestic violence, but when they argue the point, it is about who does the most physical damage.

In maternity units around australia, women are screened by being asked, "When was the last time he hit you?"

Men get asked "When was the last time you hit her?"

Unfortunately there is a certain percentage of the population who display "Psychopathic" traits and there is not much that can be done to protect people from the psychopaths.

Then there are the drug users and alcoholics who are violent, their violence will not stop until their drug alcohol use stops.

Another cause that is not really talked about, is the people who have an acquire a brain injury.

A number of years ago when I was bored, reading 'That's Life' magazine, there was a story that seemed familiar, about a male who had an acquired a brain injury, who killed his step father. It turned out that I already knew some of the details of the story.

Hi again, JAY OF MELBOURNE...

I've no answer to your contrasting statistics that you've supplied me, where you clearly refute my opinion ? What I am asserting quite unequivocally, as very much the pragmatist and a policeman, I could count on one hand the number of domestic assaults I've attended over the years where the female was the offender. Though there were significantly less female offenders to that of males, many of the offences committed by these women, were often classed as more serious, eg. ABH, malicious wound., attempt murder etc. ?

Whereas, I couldn't begin to precisely enumerate the inordinately larger number of domestic assaults I've attended that were clearly perpetrated by the male !

Furthermore, I cannot begin to account for any statistic, record or opinion, that you've furnished me, that may prove contradictory to the experiential evidence that I've accrued over the thirty two odd years I was in the job. It's is simple as that, JAY OF MELBOURNE ?

O Sung Wu, you are wasting your time trying to offer reason or actual proof to many posters on this thread re domestic violence.

Like you, I have had experience in hospitals and in the community dealing with victims of domestic violence.

By far, the overwhelming majority of badly injured or dead victims were female.
If there were meant to be all these adult male victims of domestic violence by females, I rarely saw them.
Maybe they went to other major hospitals than the ones I worked in.

Mostly, the injured men who came in claimed they were bashed by other men.
I guess they could have lied, but the undeniable fact is that unless maybe guns are used, then not many women can overpower a man.

I don't profess to know the answers, but whatever is happening now is not working...

Hi there SUSEONLINE...

I'm afraid you're right. Sometimes others don't wish to hear the truth, for whatever their reason. What to do about it ? I really don't know. Violence is becoming most prevalent, particularly amongst young males, all trying to prove themselves, how tough they are or something ? Threats of gaol don't seem all that effective, there must be some other deterrent that may have a greater effect ?