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The right to sexual fulfilment: a privileged gunman, misogyny and social comparisons : Comments

By Rob Cover, published 26/5/2014

By any measure the Santa Barbara shooter was privileged, but apparently privilege isn't enough.

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Rob your inexperience and understanding of sexuality is greatly limited by you age and understanding of the sexual motivations of women and understanding their needs.

That you identify with the truncated ideas of the feminists is laughable. Mate after you've loved different women between ages 16 to 70 don't dare spout, it only shows your ignorance.

I've done that and I'm telling you I've been rejected more times than I'd care to admit and much more often and more serevely than our murderous friend. I've also had more bad sex than good, entirely my own fault, and cannot agree only good sex resides in loving relationships. My rejections only ever caused me to question my attitudes and practices. I didn't become murderous.

I changed myself and my approaches and attitudes.

If our teachers including you applied the premise of personal responsibility instead of seeking to blame circumstances, upbringing, social inadequacy, mysogany and all the other crap excuses these murderous attitudes wouldn't exist in people like our killer.

Instead of blaming men for being men focus on the kids education. That's where he learned he wasn't responsible for his own actions.

In someone suposed to be intelligent your ramblings show incredible stupidity.
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 4:06:26 PM
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Imajulianutter,
In his writing Elliot Rodger doesn't mention any pro-active attempts on his part to get to know girls and to get close to them, his ideas about girls his own age sprang from his own imagination.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 4:20:34 PM
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'The right to sexual fulfilment ' the whole rights entiltlement mentality. Students right to be violent because they might have to pay a little towards their own education, the right to prevent free speech, the right to murder the unborn, the right to free medical services, the right not to work, the right to demand more pay.. all rights no reponsibility (very much the socialist mindset)
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 4:33:01 PM
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Not my point Jay. I wish it was so easy.

Perhaps a piece of American Free Verse might help. I know the socialist Poe would think it daft.
Students Rites

Silent night unholy night
All is still but bullets shrill
Silent night unholy sight
Lonely sit and think hate tonight
Tomorrow lying tiredy
In a puddle lifeless
Blown away body parts
Poor wealth pretend
Multiple stabs in men
Single shots in women
Hurray I won
Gods forsake live like us
Shoot all suckers guns
Blow all to hell my son
You've won
Dead as the dead inside
Share cold my son.
Hollywood the soul
Latest great one said
The heart he said
Brain dead
Dead remorse
Born killer disease
Karl's moneyless
The states to blame
Irresponsibility educate
Where alls fair win
Sadness embraced reward
Mothers weep, siblings seek
Fathers in silence groan
On and on and on it goes
No one knows
Analysis fake
Not him it's men
Feminists point
In Gulags of communal hate.
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 4:44:55 PM
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In defence of Rob, he is an Associate Professor of Social and Cultural Studies, so it is his business to view, and try to explain things, from that perspective. So long as he can cite credible studies to support any conclusions that he may reach, then there’s nothing wrong with that.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that he denies the possibility that this particular tragedy may, at the end of the day, be best explained from a psychological perspective. Sociological factors have probably, at least, helped to shape how this kid’s mental issues manifested, so they are useful in that sense.

Each perspective has its strengths and its weaknesses. There is never any one explanation for deviant behaviour and different schools of thought will approach it from different angles. A psychoanalyst would probably theorise on the basis of the ego, the super-ego and the id, but that doesn’t mean that they disregard the legitimacy of sociological explanations too.
Posted by AJ Philips, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 5:09:21 PM
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I'm not anti gun nor am I pro gun & think it ok if someone needs a firearm for protection such as living in an isolated area or bush walking etc.
My idea of obtaining a firearm should be governed by
a: only after a term of National Service
&
b: At the first display of mental instability the firearm has to be handed in until such time that mental stability can be proven again.
&
c: for sport shooting such as target shooting a .22 caliber is all that's needed. I'd prefer target shooting to be limited to air powered guns.

You can't legislate against stupidity, every person has to simply be more involved & alert about the goings on around them. A two year term of National Service will instil a sufficiently healthy mentality in most to have a more sane society in a very short time.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 6:12:50 PM
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