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Psychological harm, anti-vaccination and the Racial Discrimination Act : Comments

By Tanveer Ahmed, published 9/4/2014

But at what point should the special treatment of race pass? Australia has been among the most successful and cohesive multicultural societies for several decades.

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Very well said Tanveer!
And I can add, a very well constructed bill of irrevocable rights, might deal with some of the more knotty problems, that seem to be emerging around the idea of free speech.
Meaning, I ought to be able to say anything at all about you, however demeaning, always providing, I can prove both truth and accuracy, and never ever intentional harm.
True justice and the inherent truth, are color, gender and socially blind!
As somebody I both respect and admire once said, it is not the color of a man's skin that matters, but the content of his character. And went on to say his, I have a dream speech.
As for the young Lady who verbally abused Adam Goode?
Well everyone learns their prejudices at their parent's knees; and she may well have grown up in a household, where racial vilification was seen as normal; and practiced daily?
Clearly there is a place for educating those who both teach and practice it, with the shoe on the other foot so to speak, just enough to allow them to feel just how hurtful it can be?
Like, taking ordinary decent Germans into the camps, if only to make them face the very truth they had been denying, as if what was being done or said in their name, was literally impossible!
Bring on a bill of irrevocable rights!
And it ought to include a right by the majority, to not include kids in public education or in other public forums, whose ignorant parents have refused to vaccinate, on the grounds of something a proven fraudster may have fallaciously claimed, along with her bogus accreditation?
Along with rights, there also exists, responsibilities!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 11:40:13 AM
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Looks like the author isn't truly concerned about racism and such, but uses its non-prevalence as a pretext to undermine the ability of minorities to defend themselves as a group. His hidden agenda is for doctors to rule the world and eradicate religion from the face of the earth, locking up all who do not accept his materialistic/scientific paradigm in mental hospitals and similar reform-camps.

Dear Rhrosty,

Majorities don't need a bill of rights since they already have all the power in the world through their political representation anyway.

Certainly medical doctors (and the sheep who follow them) don't need any more rights since their Mafia, the AMA, already gets to pass whatever legislation they like in parliament, granting them practically unlimited power and funds.

<<And it ought to include a right by the majority, to not include kids in public education or in other public forums, whose ignorant parents have refused to vaccinate>>

No objection on my side, but what about the rights of minorities (vaccinated or otherwise) to have nothing to do with the public education#########indoctrination system in the first place?

Or is your suggestion perhaps intended just for that, as a back-door, to allow parents and their kids to avoid school by claiming (truly or falsely) that they are not vaccinated?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 1:03:01 PM
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As a middle aged White male I can say that the constant public racial vilification and prejudice expressed by others against people of my demographic does start to wear on me the more I experience it.
The experience of being told that all the trouble in the world is your fault, that you are the recipient of unearned "privilege", having your very being described as "toxic masculinity" and having women clutch their purse and lower their gaze as they walk past you on the street does cause stress to accumulate over time but I don't think it causes mental illness.
The key here is the extent to which the individual member of a stigmatised group is aware of the stigma attached to his person, that awareness comes from interaction with people of other demographic groups, I'm aware of Anti White, misandric attitudes because I go looking for them but talking to other White men they are mostly unaware of any such thing, the same must surely be true of other groups. If you spend the bulk of your time with people just like you then you're not likely to experience much "Racism", I'm reminded of the scene in the film "Defamation' when Yoav is in a Taxi going to the airport in Tel Aviv. He's trying to explain to the driver that he's flying to the U.S to make a film about Anti Semitism and the driver asks "What's Anti Semitism?", Yoav replies "When people hate the Jews", the driver furrows his brow and says "Really?"
The reality is that on some levels people will trust those of different ages, gender or race over people of their own group, they prefer to engage with them in some circumstances but not others.
Childcare for example, most White people with the means would not hire a White nanny, I know when we had our kids in daycare I was inexplicably more comfortable when the middle aged Lebanese woman with the Hijab and her Filipina 2IC were on duty than when the two White girls were there.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 1:29:48 PM
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"our growing maturity"

How about getting really mature and stop this incremental totalitarianism, where the state thinks it has to stick its nose into every nook and cranny of our lives.

Parents who don't vaccinate their children are not responsible for the actions of bacteria and viruses.
The *pathogens* are responsible, and the children may never even encounter them.
It should not be a crime to allow a child to be sick.
Getting sick is part of nature/life, allowing the immune system to "exercise" itself.

Rhrosty, what do vaccinated children have to fear from the unvaccinated?

Words, not matter how nasty, cannot cause any true harm.
Unless you allow them to.
And that is *your* choice.

Racists should be allowed to be racist (e.g. not hiring minority workers), while others are free to oppose them (picketing that store, badmouthing them on Facebook).

Liberty is more valuable than comfort/safety.
But we are losing it inch by inch, as the state tries to "protect" us.
Posted by Shockadelic, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 2:37:20 PM
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Yuyutstu,
Majorities may not, as claimed by you, need a bill of rights, but minorities clearly do! We remain the only western democracy without one!
If we had a bill of rights, people who had done nothing more than give away a no longer useful SIM card to a cousin? Couldn't be incarcerated without just cause, or actual evidence of wrong doing! Ditto people with a mental illness or disability!
Nor could kids be kept incarcerated for years, for the sins of their parents?
That said, I'd require unidentifiable paperless asylum seekers to go through a proven verification process, space age lie detection procedure, that not even psychopaths/war criminals/compulsive liars could beat, to much more accurately, confirm just who and what they were? Before their women and children could be released into the community, or seek work.
I have an inherent problem with Tamil tigers seeking asylum here, when India, is just a few miles away, and where there is a very large, very sympathetic Tamil community!

And the girl who vilified Adam?
Well if I had my druthers, both she and her parents, who have had a large part in her development and a view it was okay to cast hurtful aspersion, would spend two or three years in an aboriginal community of Adam's choice, where they were very much the minority!
As for doctors wanting to rule the world? Ha, ha, ho, ho, he, he, oh my aching ribs. You're a very funny person! I can't remember when I've heard anything funnier!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 3:03:16 PM
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Shockaholic,
The problem with the non-vaccinated older child, is that any pathogens they may carry with them as unvaccinated carriers, [which is hardly ever the case for the vaccinated,] is other children's very young siblings, before they are old enough to tolerate vaccination.
Were you and other ignoramuses to go into any large hospital and be forced to watch, witness a tiny infected baby with transferred whooping cough, unable to stop coughing, and therefore, unable to breath properly, take sustenance or liquids, and slowly surely die in the arms of an inconsolable parent, you'd likely lose your incredibly insensitive, ignorant and irresponsible views!
Perhaps?
Maybe?
Possibly/
If it were your child?
You sort of remind me of a big bullying brutish biker, claiming a daily right to chain smoke in a crowded public place, and forcing dozens of nonsmokers to share his habit, chosen drug, and indeed, eventual health consequences.
The real problem with the super ignorant, is they're they are often too ignorant, to understand that they are incredibly ignorant!
Bit like flat earthers really, who simply avoid incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, on the extremely simplistic grounds, it conflicts with their chosen belief system!?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 3:31:00 PM
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