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Kerry confronts ghosts in state of confusion : Comments

By David Singer, published 21/2/2014

The Israeli authorities have blocked 70 patients from Gaza from entering Israel to receive medical treatment because their transfer documents were marked 'State of Palestine', officials told AFP on Wednesday

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This is a must see. Four Corners discloses the appalling treatment by Israel of Palistinian children. Israel should be absolutely ashamed.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-army-mistreatment-of-palistinian-children-australian-tv-dares-to-show-the-real-occupation/5368452
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 21 February 2014 5:41:47 PM
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The usual lies, distortions and hypocrisy from singer.

If it was legitimate for Israel to unilaterally declare itself a state in 1948 then it is legitimate for the Palestinians in 2013!

"(b) a defined territory;"

So israel itself is not a "legal" state according to your article?

A pretty lame effort singer even by your usual low standards.
Posted by mikk, Saturday, 22 February 2014 9:09:57 AM
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#Arjay

You really need to curb your Jew hatred - which could turn around to bite you.

Read what can happen:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/newfound-jewish-roots-gave-kerry-a-deep-bond-with-israel/#ixzz2tvmqtGVS

Check your family tree.

Chances are you might have a few Jewish skeletons in the family cupboard.

In your case little would change if this turned out to be the case.

You would become a self- hating Jew instead of a Jew hater - unless you had a change of heart and thought that one Jewish State amid 57 Islamic States (22 of them Arab) was not unreasonable - in which case you would be called - perish the thought - a Zionist.

Shock horror.

# milk

At least you posted a comment on the subject matter of my article.

Regrettably you misinterpreted my comments to mean the opposite of what I wrote.

I agree entirely with you.

Another shock horror - there is hope for an end to the Arab- Jewish conflict when you and I can agree on something.

The PLO declared a State in 1988 when they controlled no soil of Palestine. That was ridiculous and was not worth the paper it was written on.

The PLO did the same thing in January 2013 -but this time they controlled part of the soil of Palestine.

One thing is certain - the PLO have flagged to the world that the Palestinian Arabs now have their own State and no longer can any of them - wherever they live - claim to be stateless or lack a homeland of their own.
Posted by david singer, Saturday, 22 February 2014 2:23:14 PM
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Singer, " You really need to curb your Jew hatred which could turn around and bite you."
1/ I said Israel should be ashamed. There was no mention of hatred. The British elites and the Catholic Church should also be ashamed of their history and their present economic subjugation of their people. Are you too trying to hide behind victim status ?

2/There is a big difference between Zionism and Jews.eg some Germans were Nazis but most were not.The same applies to Zionism.

3/Your statement sounds like a veiled threat. Who or what is going top "bite me" for revealing the truth?

4/ I don't like any religion or belief system that puts itself above other human beings. "God's chosen people" philosophy is an elitist one and extremely dangerous.Both the Catholics/ Muslims have gone through similar over self important stages in their history. The planet does not need this stupidity.

5/ Time to grow up David,since the internet has created too much awareness. A new era is dawning.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 22 February 2014 3:58:45 PM
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70 patients were refused treatment while lawyers discuss paperwork-formalities.

This should have been the title of the article.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 23 February 2014 2:51:19 AM
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#Arjay

Stop shedding crocodile tears and claiming victimhood.

I call it Jew-hatred for you to make comments or post references to links that have no connection whatsoever to anything written in my article.

The objective is clear - to denigrate Jews and Jews only.

The fact that you omit the Israeli Ambassador's response shows how your hatred blinds you - so I will give you the link here:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/palestinians-guilty-of-turning-kids-into-killers/story-e6frg6so-1226833125812#

If you are really concerned about the welfare and ill-treatment of children - read these links:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/24/world/meast/syria-children-deaths/

http://martynmclaughlin.com/investigations/children-in-police-custody/

Children are threatened all around the world - and all systems dealing with children can always be improved.

Australia does not have a record to be proud of.
http://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/indigenous-deaths-custody-chapter-9-juveniles

How come you just picked on Israel out of the blue about a subject that had nothing to do with my article?

#Yuyutsu

What you call "paperwork formalities" go far deeper than that.

They are a deliberate attempt to create facts on the ground.

Every word said in this conflict - both by Jews and Arabs - are intended to advance each party's interests.

The Decree issued by the PLO on 3 January 2013 is an excellent example.

Watch this space for another article on this issue this week.
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 23 February 2014 4:32:25 PM
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Dear David,

<<Every word said in this conflict - both by Jews and Arabs - are intended to advance each party's interests.>>

Yes, the graveyards are full of ghosts nodding in agreement: "Yes I understand, this is why I have no body, why it didn't receive its cancer-treatment in time, it is convincingly all because of those Jews and Arabs... What are they? Sorry, I can't seem to find my brain today!"
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 23 February 2014 4:56:19 PM
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There are bigger issues at the moment than this eternal conflict in Israel.

The USA is destabilising the Ukraine and Venezuela to advance their New World Order. The USA wants to put their nuclear defence shield in the Ukraine that could send us to war with Russia.

They also continue to antagonise Syria with paid insurgents to over throw their Govt. Nutters within the US neo-cons think a nuke war in winnable. Perhaps Israel can use its influence over the USA to stop these insane wars.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 23 February 2014 8:37:58 PM
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HI/DAVID..is this another idea,like when zionist/natzie...doctors,did experiments..where state replaces oATH/thinking..WITH DUTY/threat?

by their works/..or lack..of them]...shall we KNOW THEM
[IF MOSUS CANT COME..TO you..you go to him]

THE collaborated VILE OF ZION..SECULAR 'STATE'..IS UNENDING..ItS reign..will be reviled over time..comparable..with the two lesser evils..[south-africa/and the 3 rd reiche]..its a shame..there is no adults..in israel..to say enough..iS THIS WHAT WE DO IN GODS HOLY LANDS?

Although most do not swear to the original Hippocratic Oath, the majority of doctors do take an oath – often when they graduate from medical school. Despite early disinterest, physician oaths began to come into vogue after World War II.

During the Holocaust, doctors in Nazi concentration camps committed previously inconceivable atrocities against prisoners. Experimenting with extreme temperatures, radiation, untested drugs and vaccines, unnecessary and sometimes bizarre surgeries and infecting captives with deadly diseases, the exploits of concentration camp physicians shocked and horrified the world.

Sane doctors realized stricter rules,
and a code of ethics, were needed.
NOW Ignorant/secular/states..force them..to ignore it

In 1948, the 2nd General Assembly of the World Medical Association adopted the Declaration of Geneva, appearing below as amended:

AT THE TIME OF BEING ADMITTED AS A MEMBER OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION:

I solemnly pledge to consecrate my life to the service of humanity . . .

I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity;

The health of my patient will be my first consideration;

I will respect the secrets that are confided in me . . .

I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;

I will maintain the utmost respect for human life;
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=jewish+medical+atrocities&ie
I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ZIONIST+jew+NATZIE+MEDICAL+EXPERIMENTERS&i
Posted by one under god, Monday, 24 February 2014 7:02:35 AM
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Since, we are now all Jews and the Earth has been officially renamed Zion,
I find this continuing squabble between various Jewish sects an insult to G-d.

Jewish brothers and Sisters from all tribes must simply forget their differences and share a meal together. Palestinian Jews and Israeli jews, what is the difference? Jews of every variety have suffered and must now one.

Palestinian jews can now go back to their homes and reclaim their promised land.

The new world order of Zion has arrived. Praise be to G-d
Posted by YEBIGA, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 8:31:20 AM
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i maybe posted KERRie's BROTHERs confession/PROTESTATION..OF HEY WE ARE JEWS TOO

but as biga points out..there are all sorts

here is more water over the bridge
The Israeli ‘watergate’ scandal:
The facts about Palestinian water

Israel doesn’t give water to the Palestinians.
Rather, it sells it to them at full price.

Israel has adopted a drip-feed approach to providing the Palestinians with water instead of letting them control their own natural resource. Israel imposed a scandalously uneven, humiliating and infuriating division of the water resources of the West Bank.

The Palestinians were allotted 118 million cubic meters (mcm) per year from three aquifers via drilling, agricultural wells, springs and precipitation. Pay attention, Rino Tzror: the same deal allotted Israel 483 mcm annually from the same resources (and it has also exceeded this limit in some years).

In other words, some 20 percent goes to the Palestinians living in the West Bank, and about 80 percent goes to Israelis – on both sides of the Green Line – who also enjoy resources from the rest of the country. Continue reading

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2014/02/17/israeli-watergate-scandal-facts-palestinian-water/

Threatening and Torturing Palestinian Patients to Become Spies For Israel

What these patients go through is a kind of torture. The danger is that some of them avoid seeking medical treatment because they are afraid. They are worried about being arrested, or the suspicion among other Palestinians that they may have collaborated if they receive a permit.

These permits from Israel become a tool for blackmail. It is a serious violation of international law. Because Israel still occupies Gaza, the welfare of these patients is fully its responsibility. Israel is obligated to facilitate their movement and access to proper healthcare. Continue reading…>> http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2014/02/17/threatening-torturing-palestinian-patients-become-spies-israel/

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2014/02/15/israel-lobby-burns-to-the-ground/

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/20140220_ukr7.jpg
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 8:45:56 AM
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Dear Yebiga,

Not so fast, conversion takes time and the 30th of February has not yet arrived.

You do have a point, though: a significant portion of Palestinians are in fact Jews who converted to Islam during the 8th-11th centuries because of the tax and other restrictions on non-Muslims. This includes many Jews who first became Christians in the early centuries, then turned Muslim. In contrast with other Jews who left Israel for economic reasons (and not expelled by the Romans as the Jewish myth goes - the Romans only expelled Jews from Jerusalem, but not from the whole of Israel), they never left their country.

It does leave us to wonder what's the big deal - why is the world so preoccupied with an internal Jewish war?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 11:34:56 AM
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#Yebiga, Yuyutsu, #one under god

The rubbish you post is a waste of time.

Try absorbing some of these Zionist achievements and remember them in case you or your family have need to call for help one day.

Oops sorry - I forgot you are probably among the mindless people who want to boycott products made in Israel. Lucky you are posting anonymously. Could help you gain access to these medical breakthroughs.

1. Shattering the silence of Autism.

Ola Mundo (“Hello World ” in Spanish) transmits instant messages using symbols for people whose speaking or writing ability is severely impaired. Israel’s Ophir Harel developed the world’s first and only symbolic communication app to help his 10-year-old autistic son.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/12/31/promising-new-israeli-app-shatters-the-silence-of-autism/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u0x-1xgLxA


2. Treating age-related macular degeneration.

Israel’s Cell Cure Neurosciences has been awarded a grant of NIS 6.1 million from the Office of the Chief Scientist. The grant will help finance the human clinical trials in 2014 of OpRegen, a cell-based therapeutic product for the treatment of age-related macular degeneration.
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000904027&fid=1725

3. Success in treating rheumatoid arthritis.

Israel’s Can-Fite BioPharma has announced positive results in its Phase IIb trial of their CF101 treatment for patients with active rheumatoid arthritis.
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000903835&fid=1725

4 75 years of saving lives.

Haifa’s Rambam Medical Center received a $10 million birthday present from US entrepreneur Warren Buffet.
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000904459&fid=1725

5. Implant helps rehabilitation of shoulder injury.

Israel’s OrthoSpace has developed the InSpace Balloon. It alleviates pain for patients recovering from massive injury to the rotator cuff, a group of muscles and tendons that stabilize and activate the shoulder. 2000 people in Europe and Israel have used the implant invented by Israeli orthopedic surgeon Dr. Assaf Dekel.
http://israel21c.org/health/new-implant-eases-rotator-cuff-pain/

This is Zionism speaking in a positive way to answer your incessant Jew-hatred and Jew-denigration.
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 4:33:47 PM
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Dear David,

<<Oops sorry - I forgot you are probably among the mindless people who want to boycott products made in Israel.>>

Wrong. I have family in Israel, I do visit them quite often and I do buy Israeli products (so long as they don't come from the settlers).

The achievements you mention are the achievements of ordinary Israelis, not of Zionism - and ordinary Israelis are themselves the victims of Judaism. They were tricked by cunning leaders and they certainly should not be punished for that or for being born where they were!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 4:46:34 PM
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RE ITEM 4
lol..warren buffette*
my mate really dont liKE THE DUDE[I TRUST my mate]
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=WRH+Warren+Buffet.JONES

war on buffet?..IS HE THE ONE THAT GOT 40..OR 80...billion
bILLION FROM USA....[ISRAEL's CASH COW]..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx7g-UuYQXA

ok suppose its only fair he gives Israel lobby a share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW0p58h_hr8

wasnt bluff-it..tied into 911..[double insuring]..and enron?
so much of THE StUFF YOu POST RE ZION=..MEDICAL...YET You fail to mention big pharma..expermenting on the black jews...with radiation..?
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 6:47:23 PM
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#Yuyutsu

Are you Jewish?

How frequently do you visit Israel?

Were your family born in Israel or from where did they emigrate?

What is the difference between "ordinary Israelis" and Zionists?

How have ordinary Israelis become the victims of Judaism?

How were they tricked by cunning leaders?

Don't you think the reconstitution of the Jewish National Home where Jews are the majority population after spending 2000 years in exile- now no longer persecuted or oppressed or tolerated as dhimmis at best - has anything to do with creating the living and learning environment enabling their amazing achievements in the fields of medicine, chemistry, physics, music and intellectual property in the short space of just 65 years since their start-up nation became a reality?
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 8:32:02 PM
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Abby Martin peddles Jewish exceptionalism, fears WW2 truth
By: PeaceAndJustice

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/02/24/abby-martin-peddles-jewish-exceptionalism-fears-ww2-truth/

One wonders why Abby Martin – like her compatriots in the Zionist-dominated Hollywood establishment — places exceptional status on the “holocaust” when in fact a far greater number of non-Jews — particularly Germans, Russians and Chinese — perished during the Second World War than even the highest exaggerations of the sacred Shoah.

Are Jewish deaths more tragic than non-Jewish deaths? Are Jewish lives worth more than those of non-Jews? Does Jewish suffering trump that of non-Jewish peoples?

If such people took the time and effort to do a little research, they would quickly discover that millions of “holocaust victims” have been excised from the official death total.

For 45 years, the standard histories told us four million people died at Auschwitz.
When the communist iron curtain disintegrated in 1990, the figure was revised downwards to 1.5 million.
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/02/24/an-arab-and-a-zionist-walk-into-a-bank/
Read Brandon Martinez’s excellent history and analysis:
http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/future-palestinians/
http://sabbah.in/1eceLYP
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/02/24/progressive-zionism-says-yes-to-a-boycott/
http://news.antiwar.com/2014/02/23/israels-bennett-zero-tolerance-for-israeli-arabs-national-identity/
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 8:58:06 PM
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Dear David,

I am a Hindu.

I visit my family in Israel at least every year.

I will not disclose any more identifying information about my family.

Ordinary Israelis are simply people who happened to be born in Israel (or brought there by their parents while young) and whose life and ambitions revolve around their personal and family life, rather than around Judaism and Zionism.

Ordinary Israelis are being brainwashed with the Jewish narrative and identity from kindergarten and throughout their school years.

They are tricked because they are presented with the false idea as if Judaism is a religion, based on the word of God: this was demonstrated time and again to be a complete lie. They are taught that it is God (rather than their leaders) who expects them to identify with the Jewish nation, from which, once born as a Jew to a Jewish mother, so they are intimidated, God allows no escape. The Jewish leaders, since the time of Ezra, falsely depict God as a national father-figure whose commandments are tailored to suit their own political convenience. In Jewish terms, lying like this in the name of God bluntly breaks the third commandment and is called "Chillul Hashem" (desecration of His Holy Name).

My theory is that the burst of creativity to which you refer, is not the result of Judaism, but the result of becoming free from Judaism. That intellectual energy which was formerly suppressed, having been locked up in being Jewish, is now being released as more and more individuals come out of Judaism's spell, which like a super-nova produces spectacular effects.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 12:39:18 AM
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#Yuyutsu

Interesting that you identify yourself as a Hindhu.

Why do your family - who I assume are "ordinary Israelis" - continue living in Israel after being brainwashed and tricked as you allege?

Can't you convince them to leave this evil country and return to their country of origin? Why not?

You will not say if your family there are Jewish Israeli passport holders - so I cannot make any further comment.

Why do you go to such a country once a year? Why don't you impose a boycott on travelling there, spending your money there on god forbid products made by Jews - Zionists and ordinary - in that brainwashing and tricking country - whilst not buying products made by Jews - Zionists and ordinary - living in the West Bank half an hours drive away?

Have you ever commented anywhere on any forum on Hindhu-Moslem relations or Hindhu-Sikh relations?

Please refer me to any such comments.

Here is one old article on OLO that I think should interest you

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=2297

Here is a more recent one in the Washington Post that should surely excite your attention:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/hundreds-flee-homes-in-northern-india-following-hindu-muslim-clashes/2013/09/10/ed4916ca-1a1b-11e3-80ac-96205cacb45a_story.html

Here is another just out today:

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/partition-an-unfinished-oral-story/article5723009.ece

Please post a response to them and let me know when you have done so.

You are entitled to be fascinated with the Jewish-Arab conflict, be the prolific commentator you are and make the outrageous statements you do.

It would be reassuring to know you show the same interest and passion in relation to solving the serious problems confronting your fellow Hindhus.
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 9:07:41 AM
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Dear David,

<<Why do your family - who I assume are "ordinary Israelis" - continue living in Israel after being brainwashed and tricked as you allege?>>

What a ridiculous proposal!

Why would they suddenly leave their homes which they built their whole lives, their farms, the trees they planted, their jobs, their schools, their friends, their whole human and physical network and especially their elderly who can no longer travel, in order to find and settle in a new place with different climate, customs, language, people and problems?

<<Please post a response to them and let me know when you have done so.>>

Sorry, as much as I possibly could contribute there, the time I can devote to the internet is limited so I cannot spread myself thin and care for the whole world. I have family in Israel, not in India, so my priority is clear.

It is not that I am "fascinated with the Jewish-Arab conflict" - I wish I never had to know about it, but I happen to be personally involved: I want my family to be safe (and myself while I visit them), I don't want them caught up in the fight for mad nationalistic objectives which are not theirs. The children in my family need not grow up and be brainwashed in the militaristic environment that was created by the 1967 war and of course we don't want them conscripted and risk their lives and limbs when they reach the age of 18, all that in the service of crooks and lunatics.

My family should be able to live a normal life free from the influence of both the Jewish and Arab/Muslim cults.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 7:44:18 PM
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#Yuyutsu

Your family in Israel could fall victim to Islamic violence - as happened to the Kashmiri Hindus referred to in the following article:

"There should be an international outcry on behalf of the near-extinction of the Hindus of Kashmir, an outcry at the United Nations about the Hindu refugees who were forced to flee Kashmir to escape horrific Islamic violence.

The Indian government is also afraid to confront the growing threat of Islamic terrorism. Now, only two-three thousand Hindu Kashmiris dare to remain; they are in a very dangerous situation.

Why is the world utterly indifferent to this—your—tragedy?

Because today, there is only one refugee group in the world that matters. It is the utterly imaginary group known as the "Palestinians." This group is composed of four to five generations of Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Bedu, and tribes who once lived in the Holy Land under the Romans, the Christians, the Turks, and the British but who themselves claimed no nationality until well after World War Two, when their so-called nationality became the justification for a terrorist campaign against the only Jewish state in the world.

This privileged group of refugees has been living on enormous world sympathy and on UN, European, and American funding; rather, their leaders have been living well on UNRWA funding and using the excess monies to wage a ruthless war against Israel.

The UN does not care about your people, the Hindu Kashmiris, who are facing extinction and who wish to return to peacefully practice their religion where their ancestors once lived and flourished. You are not demanding the exile of Muslim Kashmiris. But, like Jews and other infidel groups, you have been terrorized and persecuted by the intolerant practices of Islamic religious apartheid."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/11102#.Uw3ccPmSwlJ

Your family need to have secure and recognized borders to avoid the threat of Islamic violence - as Security Council Resolution 242 prescribes.

Perhaps it might have to include areas of the West Bank in which Jews live whom you detest.

Do you think your relatives will be safer from Islamic violence if these Jews are kicked out?
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 10:29:15 PM
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Dear David,

As you just demonstrated by the Kashmir example, you don't need to be a Jew in order to be persecuted by Muslims. You also don't need to be a Jew in order to defend yourself - so why be a Jew?

Judaism is based on lies, on the desecration of God's Holy Name and on intimidating its victims with the threat as if God expects them to belong to that nation and would punish them bitterly if they tried to leave. It tells its victims that Jews have a different (and superior) type of soul, so having been born Jewish there is no way out to get off that hook. Every nationalism is evil, but Judaism invented and deployed more sophisticated and more monstrous mechanisms to perpetuate itself than others, hence it is still in existence thousands of years later, but hopefully not for much longer.

So you can be an Israeli and continue to defend yourself as required without remaining a Jew; without believing that you have a special type of superior soul; without expecting a Messiah who will lead Israel to dominate all other nations; and without feeling that you need to expand your territory in order to hasten the coming of that Messiah.

As for the so-called 'Palestinians', you preach to the converted: I have no sympathy for either stupid Middle-Eastern tribes (though I have sympathy for those suffering under their control). Yet unlike Pakistan, the Palestinians are weak and pose no military threat - they could be defeated by Israel's military brass band, had the world allowed them to. But the world doesn't give Israel a free hand to defend itself - and rightly so because the world understands that Israel's motives are not purely security-based, but also include Jewish Messianic/territorial ambitions.

Once Israel proves, by withdrawing to its 1967 borders, that it no longer suffers from its Jewish territorial and superiority complex, the world will surely give it a free hand in defending itself against terror. That's what I would consider secure and recognised borders that would avoid the threat of Islamic violence.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 27 February 2014 12:46:57 AM
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#To Yuyutsu

Truly amazing that you are quite happy for your Hindhu family to continue living in Israel despite your following statement:

"Judaism is based on lies, on the desecration of God's Holy Name and on intimidating its victims with the threat as if God expects them to belong to that nation and would punish them bitterly if they tried to leave. It tells its victims that Jews have a different (and superior) type of soul, so having been born Jewish there is no way out to get off that hook. Every nationalism is evil, but Judaism invented and deployed more sophisticated and more monstrous mechanisms to perpetuate itself than others, hence it is still in existence thousands of years later, but hopefully not for much longer."

Your family obviously disagree with you - or they would have left the Jewish State a long time ago.

How long has your Hindu family lived in Israel and how could they continue living there after your annual trips when no doubt you have expressed your above views to them?

You further state:

"Every nationalism is evil, but Judaism invented and deployed more sophisticated and more monstrous mechanisms to perpetuate itself than others, hence it is still in existence thousands of years later, but hopefully not for much longer."

What mechanisms has it employed to remain in existence for thousands of years?

What different mechanisms have Islam and Hinduism employed to remain in existence as long as they have?

Have you ever urged your family to apply to migrate to Australia for a better and safer life to that they obviously cannot enjoy in Israel?
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 27 February 2014 8:38:15 PM
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david mudlsingers quote..<<>...how could they continue living there after your annual trips when no doubt you have expressed your above views to them?>>..

i know this might be hard for you to comprehend
but not everyone can just walkaway..from their home community..and start again..[YOU KEEP ON THROWING THE SAME QUESTIONS DAVID..they are old mate[now you been retold mate.]..thats why they continue LIVING THERE..HOW THEY CONTINUE LIVING THERE IS BY GODS GRACES MERCIES ALONE.

as to why kerry dont live therE..[IE CLOSER TO THE Topic]
id say kerry dont want to give up being a big fish in a big global pOND..TO..become a small fish..in a tiny secular microscopic michro-STATE.
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/02/26/close-the-eu-to-israeli-settlement-products/

you often omit..from your boasting re isra..
[taking el out of the latest mossad mess]
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/video/tom-sullivan/video-goes-viral-ukraine-nationalist-activist-attacking-prosecutor

here is one you should enjoy/you got more than the car industry
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-26/kerry-promises-ukraine-1-billion-bailout-detroit-not-so-much
http://www.altheadlines.com/corporate-welfare/
Posted by one under god, Friday, 28 February 2014 8:21:28 AM
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Dear David,

My family (who now by-the-way consider themselves atheists), lived in Israel all their lives, the older members well before Israel's independence and yes, I did talk with them about Australia when it could be applicable, but I already detailed why they wouldn't listen to me and now surely one cannot expect anyone to just go and heartlessly leave their elderly parents behind in the winter of their life when they need support and can no longer travel. Also, you may well be aware that Australia itself does not welcome everyone so easily.

I already explained about the mechanism that Judaism uses to perpetuate itself - producing false documents that forge God's words and using those documents to 'prove' to its masses that there is no way out, that God is watching and will never allow them to escape from the nation. Those documents also include such dietary and other restrictions that are intended to prevent Jews from eating with others, thereby being influenced by different ideas and mixing up with them, which would dilute the nation.

Islam is not one nation, suffice you watch the conflict between Sunnis and Shiites as well as moderates and extremists within each.

Hinduism is not a nation or monolithic, but a pluralistic umbrella for a set of many religious practices and philosophies that emerged over 1000's of years in or around India with some elements loosely in common.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 28 February 2014 4:20:40 PM
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#Yuyutsu

Fascinating story about your Hindu ( now atheist) Israeli family

When did they arrive in Palestine and what made them go there in the first place?

Did any of them serve in the Israeli Defence Forces?

What made them become atheists whilst you still identify as Hindu?

Have they ever thought of writing a book about their lives?

It would make a wonderful film or TV drama.

Family reunion is available in Australia and you should consult a migration advocate to see what can be done.

Are the elderly parents able to travel?

You must be very concerned for their safety.

Removing all the Jews from the West Bank will not guarantee your family's security.

No Jews lived in the West Bank and Gaza between 1948-1967 but the Arabs maintained a policy of not recognizing Israel and engaged in the most horrible acts of terrorism during that period.

When the Arabs commit acts of terrorism against Israelis they make no distinction between its Jewish, Moslem, Christian, Hindu or atheist citizens.

Are you able to sleep at night?
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 2 March 2014 9:18:18 PM
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the mud/slinger..[how do you sleep/david[ONE]<<..Fascinating story about your Hindu..(now atheist)..Israeli family>>..thats strike two

[govts/POLICE/COURTS..*cant even..ask tHIS/..NOT/EVEN YOU/MOSSAD SPOOKS..SEE FED/CON..116]..THIS AUSSIE FORUM..NEEDS FOLLOW CONSTITUTED LAW..[THIS AINT ISRAEL PAL]

When did..ANYOne..arrive/IS NONE/OF..YOUR BEESWAX EITHER

DITTO..<<..what made..them go..WHAT..*MAKES anyone..gO ANYWHERE

<<Did any of them serve>>you know..the LAW/NATURALLY.....THEY FOLLOW THE LAW..TOO.

<<What made them..become atheists>>[STILL/UNDER FED..RULE 116

<<whilst you still..identify as Hindu?>>..irrelivant/see rule 116..[this aint israel..wannabe copper

<<Have they ever/thought of writing..a book about their lives?
<<It would make a wonderful..film or TV drama.>>

mossad would print it?..[or just make sure they own..the rights/to control it..[suppress it]..re edit it..etc

gee..AS IF EVERYONE/DONT KNOW..<<..Family reunion is available>>

THAT SOUNDS./SO FAKE

<<..Are the elderly parents able to travel?>>

its..MPTR a matter..do they want/TO..[NO]..not are they..
i know/it might be difficult..for you to think/concieve
[that..others have will/choice..TOO..OR THAT.THEY NEED YOU FEIGNING TO CARE/BEYOND ..GETTING RID OF A FEW..MORE NON JEWS/AND AN EFFECTIVE SPEAKER FOR THEM..REMAINING...IN THEIR CHOSEN .family HOME.

STate the bleeding/obvious..<<..You must be..very concerned for their safety.>>and bolster..the implicit. threat

STATE THE BLEEDING OBVIOUS/BY..IMPOLITE threat?
<<..Removing all the Jews from the West Bank will not guarantee your family's security.>>

THEN FINISH OF..WITH A BIT OF PR..and..propaganda

<<..No Jews lived..in the West Bank..and Gaza between 1948-1967>>

how much..ya betting/on that being true?
what no..'secret agents/no spies/no converts/no useful idiots?

<<..but the Arabs>>

why cant you call them..Palestinians
when your real enemy is Saudi$%..BUT WAIT..YOUR LOT AND THE SAUDIES DID 911/SYRIA/IRAQ..LYBIA..georgia..etc etc
..
<<maintained a policy of not recognizing Israel>>
OHH DEAR DIDDUMS

<<..>>POT Kettle junk self deleted

<<..When the Arabs commit..acts of terrorism>>
its iNDIVIDUALS/only..NOT A RACE..committing../THE\..inhumanities ...<<..against Israelis they make no distinction..between its Jewish, Moslem,..Christian,..Hindu or atheist..*citizens.>>

and the last death..from pipe bomb was when?
when they blow up..the last bus/by mossad pushing..HOW MANY SET UP BY ZIONISTS..TO KEEP EVERYONE..IN FIGHT OR FLIGHT..
..your trolling the wrong dude david

I THINK..ITS THREATENING/IMPLICIT/COMPLICATE/brazenly glaringly
obviously intimidation..blatantly/patently..

BUT WASTED...ON ALL OF US.

ZIONS DAY Is dun*
no place to run
it will be fun
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 2 March 2014 10:00:08 PM
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Dear David,

My family asks me how I can sleep at night with all those fires in Australia.

I would be more concerned about the impending, long overdue major earthquake that Israel expects.

The Iranian nuclear threat is also serious, though reduced at the moment after the change of regime in Iran and the collapse of Syria.

Palestinian terror can be a nuisance, but of all other things it is well lower on this list: Israel can easily defeat this kind of threat. Building the big wall has already done wonders in reducing terror and so would a similar permanent wall built over Israel's 1967 borders.
Of course one could be unfortunate enough to be hit, but many more people in Israel are hit by road accidents (and part of the well-known recklessness of Israeli drivers is due to the overall sense of arrogance born of the 1967 war).

The bottom line is, my family is happy in Israel, they don't want to leave and currently could not due to age, even if they wanted and were accepted by Australia. Also, some of them are farmers and feel attached to their land.

The main danger facing them, other than earthquakes, is internal, from Jews becoming more violent and intolerant and from the government lately making many new laws to enforce Jewish identity.

I do not advocate removing all the Jews from the West Bank. I remember the traumatic scenes from the evacuation of Gaza (I happened to be there at the time; despite having a limited number of shirts there I could not wear my orange ones because it would be interpreted as supporting the settlers...) and I don't want them repeated. The state of Israel should leave the place, but if any Jews wish to stay there, then it's their private business and they will be on their own. They could even create their own state there if they want - all that matters is that the state of Israel be out of there. In fact, Israel would do better without that bunch of extremist Jewish Jihadists.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 3 March 2014 1:52:16 PM
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#Yuyutsu

Three questions about your family you overlooked answering:

1. When did they arrive in Palestine and what made them go there in the first place?

2. Did any of them serve in the Israeli Defence Forces?

3. What made them become atheists whilst you still identify as Hindu?
Posted by david singer, Monday, 3 March 2014 4:52:51 PM
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Dear David,

As I said, I am not going to disclose any more information about my family. However, I can answer your first question:

<<1. When did they arrive in Palestine and what made them go there in the first place?>>

Each arrived according to their age, some very recently and others over 80 years ago. What made them go there in the first place was that their mothers' womb felt too narrow for their growing body, so they thought it was time to start breathing on their own and exploring the bigger world outside the womb.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 3 March 2014 5:01:56 PM
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http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/03/02/the-harm-aipac-brings-to-america/
AIPAC, which is a de facto agent for a foreign government, has influence on U.S. policy out of all proportion to the number of Americans who support its policies.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/AIPAC%3A_Treasury_Secretary_Jack_Lew%3A_%22_The_future_of_the_United_States_is_tied_to_the_future_of_Israel.%22/33318/0/38/38/Y/M.html
AIPAC’s influence on US policy–pushing it in the direction of unconditional support for Israel–increases anti-American sentiment around the world.
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/03/israel-accused-of-war-crimes-in-west.html
http://www.federaljack.com/israeli-agents-posed-as-cia-to-recruit-terrorists/
http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Queen_of_England_Deals_Extensively_in_%2417_Trillion_Depleted_Uranium_Trade/33264/0/0/0/Y/M.html?morestories=obinsite

http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/why-the-world-should-join-the-russo-chinese-arab-offensive-against-the-us-dollar/
http://undergrounddocumentaries.com/the-rothschild-family-puppet-masters-worlds-only-trillionaires/

"YOU JUST DON'T INVADE A COUNTRY
ON PHONY PRETEXT IN ORDER TO ASSERT YOUR INTEREST!"
Sec John Kerry
http://xrepublic.tv/node/7711

http://bit.ly/1eI8UuK
Posted by one under god, Monday, 3 March 2014 5:21:24 PM
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#Yuyutsu

Pity you are not prepared to share why your Hindu family went to Palestine more than 80 years ago.

Your facetious reply was unnecessary.

The idea of a Hindu family going to Palestine where Jews were busy rebuilding the Jewish national Home in their ancient biblical and historic homeland leads me to speculate your family was like the hundreds of thousands of Arabs who flocked there - attracted by the Jews breathing life again into a neglected backwater of the Ottoman Empire ruled by the Turks for 400 years until it was conquered by the British and French - just 0.01% of the Ottoman Empire conquered by those victorious allies.

They must have had some close shaves - especially in 1948 when six Arab armies invaded Palestine in breach of international law with the intention of wiping out all the Jews living there. Your relations sure would have been in trouble had the Jews not survived that onslaught.

At least it is nice to know they are happy living in Israel as Israeli citizens in a minority community among an overwhelming majority of Jews.

Maybe they had something to do with the Baha'is - whose world headquarters are in Israel where freedom of religion and worship is allowed to all.

Compare that to Saudi Arabia.

Nice to know that you are not calling for all Jews to vacate the West Bank. Problem is the PLO and Abbas won't agree to allow any of them to stay there as citizens of a new Palestinian State ( or even agree to their living there as citizens of Israel unless the PLO is given some Israeli land as compensation.)

That sounds like a racist and apartheid policy to me.

What is your view?

If the PLO persist with this policy - how do you think the two-state solution can ever be achieved?
Posted by david singer, Monday, 3 March 2014 5:48:14 PM
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Is AIPAC trying to stop you from seeing this video?
http://bit.ly/1eHEAQJ

http://www.sovereignindependentuk.co.uk/2014/03/01/ukraine-pnac-zionist-idiots-provoking-wwiii/

The report documents “mounting bloodshed” in the occupied territories as a result of the Israeli army’s use of “unnecessary, arbitrary and brutal force against Palestinians
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/03/01/amnesty-international-calls-on-international-community-to-cut-off-arms-to-israel/

http://rt.com/news/iran-obama-assassination-scientists-443/

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_02/Dozens-of-foreigners-attended-Euromaidan-protests-Russian-participant-6520/
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/01/352716/iaea-rejects-israels-antiiran-claims/
http://henrymakow.com/2013/08/Bin-Laden-Hamas-Islamists-CIA-Mossad-Tools%20.html

http://investmentwatchblog.com/over-one-million-private-security-guards-now-in-us/

One-Million Protest Blocks Israel
http://www.roitov.com/articles/1e6.htm

"We will take revenge against Israel," said an Ultra-Orthodox leader shortly before the protest. On March 2, 2014, as these lines are being written, the largest protest in Israel's history is taking place. Its topic is the new Conscription Law, which attempts to conscript Ultra-Orthodox Jews to the IDF.+
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/22345-the-rights-ayn-rand-hypocrisy

http://twitter.com/20committee?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Frussia-took-crimea--what-happens-next-is-critical-to-all-of-ukraine-2014-3&tw_i=440181361853206528&tw_p=tweetembed

The One Party State, The War Party

http://xrepublic.tv/node/7702

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wrath_of_God
Posted by one under god, Monday, 3 March 2014 7:36:40 PM
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Dear David,

<<What is your view?

If the PLO persist with this policy - how do you think the two-state solution can ever be achieved?>>

I stated my views here at least 100 times, but I don't mind stating them for the 101st:

Israel should move back to its 1967 borders.

The Arabs would not be impressed by that - but they will still be impressed with Israel's military might, which is all that matters, so they need not be consulted.
Then a big wall should be constructed over Israel's border to help preventing terror.

Currently Israel's deterrence is weak because the Arabs know that 1) it is not united from within; and 2) the world would oppose Israel and limit its military/retaliatory capacity. However, once the occupation is over, both shall change and no Arab will dare to raise his finger against Israel.

As for my "facetious reply", this for a fact IS the reason why MOST Israelis are there. Birth is the number 1 reason, followed by being brought in as children by one's parents, then there are those who came for economic reasons; or to join a family-member already in Israel; or because they had no better place to go. The remaining ones who live in Israel for Jewish-ideological reasons are therefore quite a minority!

I repeat - Ordinary Israelis are not there for Judaism, but are normal people who try to have a life and make the most out of it.

Given that the foundation of Judaism, the Torah, was proven false time and again, unless you wish to argue for its validity, isn't it time for those defrauded to cut their losses and move on, making the best of their resources and the country they built, even if it was accidental?

Every region in the world has problems: we have fires, others have earthquakes, tsunamis, bitter-cold, volcanoes, pollution, malaria, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, etc. So Israel has Arabs all around. It's not easy, it might have been a mistake, but it's no worse than what the rest of us have to put up with.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 3 March 2014 11:26:09 PM
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#Yuyutsu

You state:
"However, once the occupation is over, both shall change and no Arab will dare to raise his finger against Israel."

There was no occupation between 1948-1967 yet the Arabs sure raised their finger against Israel during that time.

Read what happened:

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/terrorism/palestinian/pages/which%20came%20first-%20terrorism%20or%20occupation%20-%20major.aspx

Why should it be any different this time round?

You further state:
"Every region in the world has problems: we have fires, others have earthquakes, tsunamis, bitter-cold, volcanoes, pollution, malaria, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, etc. So Israel has Arabs all around. It's not easy, it might have been a mistake, but it's no worse than what the rest of us have to put up with."

How many wars have been fought between Australia and its neighbours in the last 65 years?

How many rockets and projectiles have been indiscriminately fired into Australian population centres in the last 13 years?

How many nations have threatened to wipe Australia off the map in the last 65 years?

How many Australians have been the victims of terrorist attacks in Australia in the last 65 years?

How many countries in the world - fellow member States of the United Nations - do not recognise Australia?

When did Australia last have compulsory military service and for what length of time was such service compulsory?

Finally:

Do your comments in relation to the foundations of Judaism being "proven false" equally apply to the foundations of Islam, Christianity and even Hinduism?
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 7:45:53 AM
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aVID/QUOTE.<<..Why should it be any different..this time round?>>

peace..is easier/to sell/than war
nice/acts beget\nice acts..[turn/other..cheek]..smile/begets smile.

<<>.>>australians..have fought..in many wars[who is not our neighbour]..but its we israel/usa thart attack them/lest we forget.

<<..How many rockets and projectiles..have been indiscriminately fired into Australian population centres..in the last 13 years?>>

i havnt..kePT COUNT..BUT JUST LAST NEW-YEARS..I SAW/HEARD/FELT..MUST BE 5000..OF EM..JUST AT THE COAT-HANGER..[MATE TO US ITS SPECTATOR SPORT/till its drones looking for 'EVIL'

<How many nations have threatened to wipe Australia off the map>>
YES..THE MAP..[not off the face of the earth]
there is figurative/allegorical..AND Literal/catogorical

,,..<<How many Australians have been the victims of terrorist attacks in Australia in the last 65 years?>>[..ITS HARD TO GET DEFINATE NUMBERS BUT ESTIMATES RUN NEAR 2 PERCENT/ARE Criminalized by govt every year/for possession of a terror/plant*..[DESPITE SEE GENESIS 1;29]..A PLANT..LOL/deemed a drug..just so COPS/GOVT AGENTS who are REALLY..FIGHTING A WAR ON AUSSIE KIDS...[JUST IN qld alone..36.075..in 1999]

<<.How many countries in the world - fellow member States of the United Nations - do not recognize Australia?>>..australia is a British colony../..much like israel is..

just because your recognized/BY..BALFORE/LETTER/..or A britISH 'AUSTRALIA ACT..DONT validate the invasion/colonisation..looting/exploiting..of the many other COLONISERS..FAUX INVADING/PAPER DONT VALIDATE THE INVASION.

<<When did Australia last have compulsory military service and for what length of time was such service compulsory?..[vietnam]

Finally:..the foundations of Judaism HAS AND IS being "proven false"
BY FINDIng the 'scaRED SITES DUG FOR PROOF/have the wrong timings/material claimed to be there..just isnt there[thus fables]

i see no other plAce/SPECIfIC..rESEARCH inVAlidaTING THE OTHERS
THAts the problem..of making fableS FOR LAND...THE LAND REFUTES THE CLAIM
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 8:43:03 AM
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Dear David,

Around 1967, Israel was practically facing the Soviet Union, a formidable power unlike their Arab proxies. Even then, Russia stopped its direct attacks on Israel after several of its best fighter jets were brought down by Israeli pilots.

Now there is no Soviet Union, there is peace with Egypt and Jordan and Syria is torn down and its chemical weapons being collected. A few Palestinians can be defeated even by Israel's military brass band and Israel developed the best weapons in the world, not only nuclear chemical and biological, but also such robotic fighting machines that even the USA has not.

Israel still faces one serious danger, which is nuclear Iran (and its Hezbollah proxy), but it has nothing to do with the Arabs (Iranians are not even Arabs), or with any territorial dispute: Iran simply never forgave Israel for supporting the Shah!

I was not claiming that Australia faces wars or terror, but it faces the constant threat of fires (and cyclones and floods in the north): which is worse - humans or the elements, is hard to tell. No region on this planet is free of dangers.

Inasmuch as Christianity and Islam rely on the Torah/Old-testament, their foundations are unstable. Christianity however, concentrates mainly on Jesus' added value and does not call for national identity. In fact it is seen by many as a revolt against Jewish racism, having accepted all "gentiles" as equal.

Many of the Hindu scriptures were kept as oral traditions for thousands of years and it seems that later ornamental additions were made to the Puranas. Yet their purpose was not as a factual historical text, but as analogies to the internal struggles within one's soul and one's experiences during meditation. In any case, they do not promote nationalism as does the Torah and old testament.

Interestingly, archaeologists lately discovered that Shri Krishna was a real historical person: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CbTyxy1MWo
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 3:13:04 PM
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