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re jayb's comments, that goes without saying so no need for Jayb to comment again. You'd be surprised how caniving & utterly deceitful people become when they're out on a mission to get sympathy.
I see it on just about an hourly basis.

Indi, I don't blame the PEOPLE as much as I blame THE RELIGION they follow.

Now while I admit there are some very decent mulslim people here, the fact remains that the same religion that they follow, also provides the hatred for those who choose to hate us.

For this reason, I say the time has come to ban the religion from our nation, no if's no buts! Because if we choose to turn a blind eye to this ever increasing cancer on society (as we know it) our future generations will wear the brunt of our inaction.

As for the riots at Manis Island, the simple solution has not changed for years, the solution is, stop coming!

"I entirely agree that much of the Islamic Arab world is very backward, it does not mean however, I need to support the inhumane bullying by forces who wish to exploit their backwardness and powerlessness."

Ok, let's get down to this. I agree with this:

http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/the-moderate-muslim.html

Read it YEBIGA and then make a comment about how you see moderation emerging within islam.

In addition to that I would like you to declare whether you think the Western model of a secular, individual rights based democratic society is superior to a religious one.

This point negates your reference to the extremism within the bible or any other Christian or Jewish examples of that because islam does not believe in the separation of church and state and as far as I can tell Israel is not expanding globally; they really are red herrings and distract from a proper discussion of what islam is.

So I'm not going to go down that stupid, pointless path of comparing texts from the bible, Koran or whatever religious source you want to use.

The point here is whether the Western model should accommodate a religious structure which wants to change the Western model.

Cohenite
I actually believe the secular western model as defined by the French enlightenment and inscribed in the US constitution - this is my religion.

Your desire to dismiss Israel from this discussion makes the discussion disingenuous. The question you need to ask is why and how has such a proportion of Islam been so radicalised. There are indeed enlightened examples like turkey who are Islamic but secular and indeed militantly secular.

The question of Israels biblically inspired invasion of the Middle East together with USAs persistent military and monetary interference in most of the region cannot just be dismissed.

It takes two to hate. Unless you subscribe to some theory that Muslims are not actually human, you have to ask how the fanaticism occurs and what if any role other forces may have in contributing to the radicalisation.

If the radicalisation of Islam actually serves the purposes of Israel and USA military and corporate interests - does it not give you pause to consider; perhaps temper the black/white, us good, them evil paradigm?

Rationally, your In a terrible bind. For unless you believe Muslims to be sub human, you must look for the reasons for their extremism. When you look for those reasons and get passed the simplicity of white cultural superiority your left to at the very least confront the role played by both Israel and the USA.

And until such time as our western culture can confront this head on, the world will remain trapped in this regressive hatred. Finally, does it not strike you as just a little strained, that here we are aligned with the most powerful empire in the history of man, its troops stationed in 150 countries, a global media entirely subservient, an intelligence capability which can see a chess game from a space satellite, a global surveillance network.

Once again YEBIGA/Peirot/GAYBIE you are deflecting from the Topic as usual.

Let me remind you. The Topic is, "Indefinite detention causes serious harm." Please, once again, stick to the subject.

Please, fellow Posters, I beg of you, do not indulge him in his game.

And does not indefinite detention of Muslim refugees only further inflame the Muslim world and legitimise anti-Semitic attitudes as are all too apparent here.

Precisely why is this not relevant?