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Indefinite detention causes serious harm : Comments

By Andrew Bartlett, published 20/2/2014

The continuing refusal to allow the Australian Human Rights Commission to have access to the centres on Manus Island and Nauru also doesn't engender confidence about the level of transparency.

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Andrew
its fine to be concerned about he angst suffered by those in detention but its naive in the extreme to assume that anywhere near the majority are being truthful in their claims of persecution as every person from the refugee industry keep insisting.
Posted by Iain, Thursday, 20 February 2014 11:42:36 AM
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Andrew I suppose it has never occurred to someone like you, that the government's job is to look after our own. Boat people, or any other gate crashers should come a very long way last, & then only as they depart.

I see you have always been a bleeding heart. Always more interested in the no hoper, than those who are taxed to make the no hoper more comfortable, & ease his miserable life.

Could it be that birds of a feather flock together. Looks like it to me.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 20 February 2014 12:37:26 PM
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On this argument we shouldn't lock up people because they've commited a crime in the community. The incarceration might harm their self worth and restrict their community access.

The author needs a reality check. The world ain't fair and s..t happens. In this case self inflicted things happen. They chose to come nowing they would not be accepted. They're paying the price of their stupidity.

DKit
Posted by dkit, Thursday, 20 February 2014 1:20:44 PM
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<< …one thing which is beyond dispute is that prolonged, indefinite detention – even in the best conditions – is seriously harmful… >>

Andrew, it could be seriously harmful to some people. It is not automatically seriously harmful. I think you are strongly overstating the situation.

Same applies to travelling on rickety boats across the open sea.

The frustration and anger at not getting refugee status or not being able to settle in Australia if they did get it would surely be potentially much more harmful. And yet that is a very reasonable policy for our government to have implemented, as is detention for as long as it takes to sort out their claims for refugee status.

Also, the continuation of onshore asylum seeking in anything like the numbers that we were seeing last year, is likely to be seriously harmful to our rule or law, national budget and social coherence.

The important thing is that the boats be stopped, the deaths at sea stop, and the number of people facing the prospect of lengthy stays in detention, being returned to their homelands or being settled in PNG, does not increase from this point forward.

I have responded to your articles on OLO many times Andrew over the last few years. I’ve got to say that you seem to concentrate on the wrong aspects and just fail to see it all in a holistic manner.

Time and time again it has seemed that if we had got what you desired with respect to the whole onshore asylum seeking issue, there would have been no way that we could have stopped it, and indeed it would have escalated greatly, with many times the number of people being subjected to the harmful effects of detention, rejection of refugee status, etc.
Posted by Ludwig, Thursday, 20 February 2014 1:38:38 PM
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our treatment of refugees is shameful and barbaric, and quite possibly illegal:

http://www.hrlc.org.au/australias-indefinite-non-reviewable-detention-of-refugees-on-security-grounds-violates-international-law
Posted by Rhian, Thursday, 20 February 2014 2:40:11 PM
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So the refugee advocates once again exhibit their moral status displays. That dishonest lot do not admit that those so-called refugees remain in the camps voluntarily - they can get a free ticket home any time they want.

Those moralising poseurs got Rudd to stop a system that worked, and it cost 1200 lives lost at sea.

Those self-righteous poseurs have cost Autralians billions of dollars ripped out of the future of Australian children to fund those poseurs' self-image.

Those angry poseurs ignore the fact that the 'asylum seekers' have such honest cases that they destroy their identity papers when the Australian rescuer heaves into view. They are such good people that they sabotage their boats and sink them endangering many lives so that Australians are forced to rescue them. Sinking boats deliberately to endanger lives at sea is a criminal act.

The exploiters of those people's misery, the Left and the refugee activists, are not rational but driven by 'projection'. They deny the reality of the situation because they are filled with hate, hate for a confected strawman idea of the Right. It gives them a smug moral satisfaction to show themselves 'better', more 'moral' people than ordinary Australians and Coalition politicians, who are now charged with the task of repairing the harm done.

All that hate, all that cost, all those lives lost at sea, for the aggrandisement of Australian moral poseurs.
Posted by ChrisPer, Thursday, 20 February 2014 3:00:03 PM
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