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Palestine: collective amnesia spells collective disaster : Comments

By David Singer, published 6/2/2014

Witnesses were available in abundance, but that hasn't stopped the US reneging on its promise.

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How can anyone not love this guy?
*Collective amnesia, as in not remembering the Nakba?
*130 years old Jewish-Arab conflict? So good to know it all started in 1885.
*International treachery and duplicity? Pots and kettles and black black black.
The practice of 'hasbara' as undertaken by the Israeli government is examined in some depth by Max Blumenthal in his astonishingly good expose of Israel in his latest book, Goliath. Read it and be shamed, David Singer.
Posted by halduell, Thursday, 6 February 2014 10:41:54 AM
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Israeli War Crimes in Palestine

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37561.htm
Posted by Raise the Dust, Thursday, 6 February 2014 12:39:05 PM
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Perhaps the USA should show the way by becoming democratic itself, not just in name?

Your chances of spending time in jail are bigger in the "democratic" USA than in any other country, including totalitarian China; and "peaceful" is the last attribute we can assign to that country who listens to all our phone conversations, as well as those of world leaders and competing businesses.

What's wrong then if instead of pretending (like Australia) to be democratic, the Palestinians take the example of Israel's non-democratic but peaceful neighbour, Jordan, having a good king that loves and cares for his people?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 6 February 2014 5:15:33 PM
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Wow! You really are getting desperate arent you singer.
Posted by mikk, Thursday, 6 February 2014 8:17:14 PM
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Didn't bother to read article, assume it is usual Zionist rant - just wanted to ask for some balance on OLO on this issue and for Singer to be limited to six articles a year.
Posted by Candide, Thursday, 6 February 2014 9:39:31 PM
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The world is turning its back.
First the Boers, now the Zionists.
At long last.
Bewdy!
Posted by EmperorJulian, Friday, 7 February 2014 6:49:19 AM
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daVID..you know of course..the laws of karma
every action..has an equal and opposing re-action

this law means for a winner..THERE MUST BE A whiner
but to defeat..one..defeats the other..
http://whatreallyhappened.com/category/dictatorship
[in gods eye were all winners
as the elder brother..israel needs simply BE THE grownup
http://whatreallyhappened.com/category/palestine

i like many others fear reading your words
cause inevitable it means a BLACKFLAG/EVENT..will be redflagged

but this next black swan evenT..WILL BE ALLOWED

SEE MIKE IS DYING..
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

SOON YOUR MESSIAH..SHALL DIE...without him arround..ZION WILL BE ALLOWED TO WIN.

WERE BEING CALLED
good luck and all that

PS HOW DO we know..the whole middle east..thing..isnt simply so its them anD US[IE THE BOGGIE MAN..COMMON THREAT..the damm terrorists versis us...THE GOOD GUYS]

SO IM SAYING ..let the game begin
cause the games are OVER.

I NOTE THE LATEST BIN LARDEN..NEAR THE GAME
dark shadows..etc..but clearly a zion/west stooge like bin larden

lest we forget the bad guy= THE GOOD GUY
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/powabuse.html

HISTRY/HOLY TEXTS ARE WROTE BY SURVIVORS,..AND ISRAEl has thousands that 'survive'..so much so..[oh go see previous POSTS]

PS RECALL THE BAD TEETH BIBLARDEN..
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/galleryoffakebinladens.php

THEY HUNG..SADMANS INSANE DOPPLEGANGER..turns out the real one has perfect teeth

ANYHOW MIKE TOLD Us of that to COME
HE MAY BE NEAR DEATH..BUT [FOR NOW],,HIS PAST WORKS SHALL LIVE On

unlike many of us.
anyHOW SEE YA ON THE OTHER SIDE GUYS
nEXT WEEK WE SHALL ALL KNOW WERE IN HELL.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 7 February 2014 9:33:59 AM
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#halduell

Do I remember the Nakba? Yes

Do you remember what started it - the refusal of the Palestinian Arabs to accept the UN Partition Plan.

When do you think the Arab-Jewish conflict began?

#Yuyutsu

You miss the point - which I will repeat for your edification:

A "democratic palestinian state" is the required end game for negotiations to be successfully concluded under the Roadmap and the Annapolis conference.

If this is not going to happen or if the PLO is going to renege on this commitment it agreed to - you can wave goodbye to any negotiations going anywhere but into the garbage bin of history
Posted by david singer, Saturday, 8 February 2014 3:24:38 PM
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130 years of conflict between jews and Palestinians!
I am near speechless at the audacity of this comment neatly wedged as a matter of fact. Amazing. But I suppose we must be grateful that you atleast validate the existence of Palestinians 130 years ago.

Yes there were jews in Palestine 130 years ago. Those few jews lived peacefully with their Muslim brothers and sisters. It is precisely because they lived peacefully that more jews were also accepted peacefully by Palestinians.

But as more and more ostensible jews arrived, they revealed themselves not to be jews but Zionists. They displaced their hosts, belittled them, attacked them, bastardised them and ironically instituted a NAZI regime with all the hallmarks of racial superiority, demands for living space, and via the infiltration and influence of US government policy. - who knows - today Washington, tomorrow ...the world.

For a highly intelligent and educated people this anthropological, tribal myopia is indefensible. For in truth the sustained mendacity necessary for the realisation of this Zionist fantasy has not only degraded Judaism it has degraded the entire western culture.

Politicians from Washington, Canberra, London, Paris, Berlin from every advanced country fawning to Zionist Desires. The global media fawning to Zionist Strategies. The education system perverted to placate Zionist fears. Any criticism met with an anti-Semitic retort.

The legacy of Zionism, is a fortress Israel and an infinitely more stupid world.

Congratulations, enjoy the odyssey
Posted by YEBIGA, Saturday, 8 February 2014 3:48:17 PM
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#Yebiga

Your brief exposition of the history of Palestine omitted these pertinent events:

1. The Arab riot 1920

2. The Arab riot 1929

3. The Arab riot 1936-1939

4. The Arab refusal to accept the unanimous verdict of the international community in 1922 recognizing the right of the Jewish people to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in Palestine.

Could you enlighten me by detailing the events that led you to make the following statement:

"They displaced their hosts, belittled them, attacked them, bastardised them and ironically instituted a NAZI regime with all the hallmarks of racial superiority, demands for living space, and via the infiltration and influence of US government policy. - who knows - today Washington, tomorrow ...the world."

Events and dates please - enough of the generalised Jew-hatred.
Posted by david singer, Monday, 10 February 2014 10:01:09 PM
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SAME SONG MR SINGER..,,<<They displaced their hosts, belittled them, attacked them, bastardised them and ironically instituted a NAZI regime with all the hallmarks of racial superiority, demands for living space, and via the infiltration and influence of US government policy. - who knows - today Washington, tomorrow ...the world."

Events and dates please - enough of the generalised Jew-hatred.>>

mate..glad to hear you say the same again and again
we said it all to..you over the years

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/author.asp?id=5506
I COULD get the gems for you if you want
but i know yoU JUST RUN AWAY*

why must we keep REPEATING..the vile that the secular zion/scum does

but still thE secular zionist stooge says present your proof
ok sunshine...
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/KILLINGJESUSFAMILY.php
http://www.theeasterntribune.com/story/2578/israeli-forces-attack-al-aqsa-mosque/#sthash.wUPU2LbY.UcX58Uho.dpbs
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=jew+watch

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE5/index.php

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/oftheliars.php
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/IranvIsrael.php
http://whatreallyhappened.com/category/hidden-history
http://whatreallyhappened.com/category/saudi-arabia
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 8:18:51 AM
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RECALL JEW HATING COWARDS/THREAD?
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15664

SYRIANS SIGNING 'OWN' DEATH WARRENT..[A THREAT THEAD?
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15479

trying to manIPULATE SITTING GOVT POLICY..[CARR THREAT]
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15394

your rewriting plus front running govt pOLICY

your first few posts..of too many?

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International - 1/07/2008 - 35 comments
Obama and the Palestinian State
International - 16/06/2008 - 30 comments

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/author.asp?id=5506

BUT SGT SHULTZ..AKA aecular zionist you[david]..SEES NU*THINK
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 8:31:05 AM
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interesting within minutes of posting reply to you
http://www.jewwatch.com/

has gone off line..[you have too much control
if you can push the buttons push the damm thing

we are over it
you know you can do as you chose..we know it
but its clear you CANT..revealed by ya own works
its time some were jailed for treason..get it david?

god wouldnt be pleased..but if your not with god..your working with satan

its that simplE..if your not serving mankind..your serving satanists

jew watch will be up again shortly
zionists will get 'thIEr just deserts..[re-ward]
you too few arnt running things..its time you were told
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 8:39:00 AM
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But those Arab riots and their dates are entirely consistent with my points. They were against Zionism.. The riots are indicative of the Palestinians becoming cognisant of Zionist intention. It does you position no good raising this and only confirms the treachery executed on the Palestinians.

Here we go - " enough with the generalised Jew hatred"
Let me be perfectly clear, i hate judaism, christianity and islam in equal measure. In fact i have a disdain for organised religion of any variety. But this has not been a discussion about religion. It is a political topic. Please find a new trick, the anti- Semitic charge has lost it lustre.

And as we know David, to a Zionist the Old Testament is not a religious matter, it is the Deed to a Title of land. Zionism is the usurpation of judaism and the Old Testament for the purpose of making a property claim - a claim ordained by god no less.

. I am sick of the sustained mendacity which embroils the entire western world in fighting over this desolate and cursed land. The tragic irony that a highly educated jewish people have fallen for this anarchronistic nationalism. That here on the 21 st century we have this religious conflict without any possible end.

I can't work out whether Israel plays the USA for a fool and thus empowering Zionism. Or whether, the US plays Zionism for a fool and thus enabling aggressive US adventures in the Middle East to appropriate oil reserves.

Either way, a pox on all of you. The harm caused by this endless barbarism is beyond measure. If it were geographically contained that would be one thing. But its not, the Zionist narrative has infiltrated our media our education system and our political system. The wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, the sabre rattling toward Iran. The entire world caught in the vortex of this barbaric, deformed nonsense of hate.

My imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend, and when all you religious people die, my imaginary friend is sending you all to hell. Hahahaha.
Posted by YEBIGA, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 9:20:02 AM
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Dear Yebiga,

You are blaming innocent religion for someone else's crimes.

Judaism was never a religion, but a national movement which tactically invented its distorted image of god and what are presumably his commandments, shaped in every detail in order to support the Jewish nation. In Judaism, God is only good so long as He helps the nation - if He doesn't, then the Rabbis gave themselves a back-door to change the rules, demonstrating that they were never truly interested in God's instructions in the first place. Thus Judaism is a disgusting abuse of religion, rather than a religion.

The fact that some later individual Jews, such as Jesus and some of the Hasidic movement, turned against the tide by taking God seriously and aspects of Judaism as a spiritual discipline, is the exception rather than the rule. What you call 'Zionism' is nothing but the original spirit of Judaism.

You may be interested in the recent spate of legislation by Israel's extremist "Yisrael Betenu" party to prohibit expressions of Jewish religiosity that are not done via the official central Rabbinate. The performance of a private Jewish wedding, for example, with a Rabbi that is unauthorised by the state will become a criminal offence and so would any hint by shop and restaurant owners, even verbally, that their food is kosher - unless they are certified by the central Rabbinate: what may be eaten by a Jew without sin is thus no longer a decree of God, but of the Rabbis in power.

Thus the Middle-East conflict was never a religious one, but the usual political conflict that we see elsewhere, only covered in false religious rhetoric.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 10:48:39 AM
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To #one under god

I randomly looked at one of your many references:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/KILLINGJESUSFAMILY.php

It stated:

"In the dying days of the Bush administration, and a week before Israel launched an aerial bombing campaign, followed by a land invasion of the Gaza Strip, the U.S. military shipped 989 containers of munitions to Israel.

Each container was 20-feet long with a total estimated net weight of 14,000 tonnes. The shipment reportedly reached Israel last month at Ashod, 40 kiometres north of Gaza. The huge arsenal of munitions will replenish those expended in the Gaza War.

According to Amnesty International in the UK, the shipment included white phosphorous."

The following paragraphs from the original report were omitted:

"The international organization says 300 of the containers had been unloaded at Ashod in March by a German cargo ship, Wehr Elb.

“We are sure that the consignment contained arms and munitions.” We have a strong suspicion that it contained white phosphorous which has been used against civilians in Gaza,” Brian Wood, head of Arms Control Campaign at Amnesty International in London said late this week.

“The cargo ship had been chartered and controlled by US Military Sealift Command. It left the USA for Israel on December 20, one week before the start of Israeli attacks on Gaza. The vessel was carrying 989 containers of munitions, each of them 20-feet long with a total estimated net weight of 14,000 tonnes,” he said.

“The world community including the Palestinians should be able to know where the remaining 680 containers on board the Wehr Elbe have gone and why the US is not transparent about the final destination of the dangerous cargo.

“A Pentagon spokesperson confirmed to Amnesty International that “the unloading of the entire US munitions shipment was successfully completed at Ashdod on March 22,” Wood pointed out.

The spokesperson had said the shipment was destined for a US pre-positioned munitions stockpile in Israel, he said. Under a US-Israel agreement, munitions from this stockpile may be transferred for Israeli use if necessary."

That was enough for me.

Swallow half baked stories if you will.

I won't.
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 11:30:36 AM
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Yuyutsu
What organised religion is good? Once any organisation places itself between an individual and his her relationship with the divine, we always without fail see the proliferation of the worst crimes and excesses. Whatever good there was is transfigured into an abomination.

When that organised religion then enjoins itself with patriotic nationalism, we have the exponential proliferation of two evils. We have in history seen the devastation caused by this two headed beast time after time. Not just war, but the worst kind of barbarity and excess.

However, good your intent, to defend either head of this abomination is to lend support and fuel to the spiral of barbarism which always must follow. This lesson is writ large in the blood, suffering and torture of countless souls throughout humanity's history.

The literature which chronicles this lesson is readily accessible. The wisdom from these chronicles bares no equivocation. There is no reading between lines, no subtle metaphors. It is a sledgehammer, a bludgeon, it screams at you: organised religion and patriotism is a mental illness.

An individual suffering from either religious ardour or patriotism ceases to be an individual and is instead a drone like slave of hatred and bigotry. Their thoughts are no longer their own. They become rabid dogs to be directed by their owners to commit any crime and still find justification.

Is that not precisely what David is doing here, justifying what cannot be justified except by religion and patriotism?
Posted by YEBIGA, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 12:07:11 PM
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very quick with your reply..david..[one snoW storm doth not a winter make[you know how zion loves disinfo..so you poison one well..your wORKS STAND EXPOSED.

GO DESTROY PALISTEIN IF YOU DARE
your slow killing them with starvation/poisend water..radioactive munitions gass warfare phosphor and OTHER inHUMANE..perversions..

its indefensible oppression..mate..get that right.
two state is a perversion../slave INCARCERATED-STATE/MASTER RACE STATE*
4 TH REICHE..

zieg heil..

HOW MANY ABORTED BABies CHILD SACRIFICE TO ZION..DIE TODAY..?
how many your weapons OF MASS DESTRACTION will still/KILL kids TOMORROW?

REPENT..SEE your serving death/war /murder/mayhem.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 12:09:56 PM
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To #Yebiga

Jew-haters claim they only hate those Jews they differentiate as "Zionists" - Jews who support the right of the Jewish people to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in its ancient biblical and legally sanctioned homeland.

The preamble to the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine clearly and unambiguously stated:

"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;"

These provisions also expose why your following propagandist claim about "Palestinians" is drivel:

" But those Arab riots and their dates are entirely consistent with my points. They were against Zionism.. The riots are indicative of the Palestinians becoming cognisant of Zionist intention. It does you position no good raising this and only confirms the treachery executed on the Palestinians."

How come the "Palestinians" did not rate a mention in the Mandate?

How come the riots were by "Palestinians" against "Zionism" - not the murder and slaughter of Jews who had come to live in Palestine in accordance with the legal approval given to them to do so by the unanimous consent of the League of Nations?

The Arab population of Palestine - as distinct from the Jewish population of Palestine - might not have liked the decision of the League of Nations.

But did this entitle them to riot - and in so doing murder maim and wreak havoc and mayhem on those Jews who legally went to settle there?

Give us a break.
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 12:23:47 PM
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Dear Yebiga,

We agree that patriotism is a mental illness.

Regarding organised religion, I think that before proceeding we need a precise definition - at what stage should a group of people who come together in order to support each other on their religious path be called "organised"?

You asked: "What organised religion is good?"

Well, any organisation that helps people to come closer to God, is good - but this obviously still fails to answer the question whether or not organisations are capable of helping people to come closer to God (in other words, whether they are indeed religious, or merely claim to be so).

Suppose for example, a group of people incorporate and collect money to build a monastery, where they can spend their time in prayer and meditation without being troubled with worldly affairs - is that too organised for you? do you claim that it cannot help them on their spiritual path?

Now suppose that not only they cannot each on their own financially afford to live in seclusion, thus they need the group for their common building, but also they don't know how exactly to pray and meditate and avoid the world, so they bring in a resident saint who can direct them - would that be too organised for you?

Now suppose they also record the words of that saint, so future generations can benefit from them as well - would you consider that too organised?

Etc.

So please tell me where do you draw the line before we can have a meaningful discussion.

<<Is that not precisely what David is doing here, justifying what cannot be justified except by religion and patriotism?>>

He can tactically produce whatever justifications he can find, but clearly he doesn't believe it himself, because he comments here on the Jewish Sabbath: If he truly believed in the bible, then he would not be breaking the 4th commandment on these very pages. He may be a patriot, but is certainly not religious.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 1:15:58 PM
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David, how the hell should I know why the mandate refers to them as non Jewish as opposed to Palestinian. But I can't see how any interpretation is going to help your cause.

I would suggest the most probable reason is that unlike the Zionists, the Arabs had no clear objective. They had lived under the rule of bigger powers for millennia. They had no plan to form a nation.

But all this is just nonsense. Your possessed by both religious ardour and patriotism. Everything that spews from your mouth is merely justification for the diabolical crimes committed to sustain this disease you suffer and wish to spread.

Consider that you insist time after time to accuse me of hating jews. I will not be drawn into your death spiral. I don't care for any religion and in particular I do not care for any Judeo/Christian/Islamic disease of the mind.

You suggest that being anti Zionist is merely code for anti- semitism. Are there not a significant number of jews who are not pro Israeli, jews who in fact call themselves anti-Zionist? Nevertheless, to avoid further charges I will from now on call them Israelis. How is that will that suffice?

No amount of detailed argumentation can dissimulate Israeli guilt.. It is well and truly time for all jews to realise this religious ardour mixed with patriotism which is what supports the state of Israel - and that it must be abandoned. Such a gesture is the only hope for the region. The weaker party, the Palestinian, cannot make such a gesture. Israel can and must inevitably. A secular nation incorporating both Israel and Palestine is the only road to peace.
Posted by YEBIGA, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 1:34:17 PM
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Yuyutsu
Its a slippery slope. I have had a similar discussion some time ago on a philosophy forum. I think we agreed that once a religion begins to sell itself as the sole path to god it is a problem. I think once a religion purports anything without compassion and understanding it has lost its way and become dangerous. And of course, once a religion attempts to become a nation, it is no religion at all.

My opinion of religion is that it is riddled with mendacity and snares to entrap you. We all have a personal responsibility to find our own truth and our own path. Whilst, I may linger for a while to be inspired or mentored, if I stay too long I am on some else's path and am in danger of betraying myself and misleading others.

I don't consider myself spiritual but I believe every human being is a unique celebration of infinite creation. Everyone of us is fascinating and remarkable. When we are not, it is entirely because we have become entrapped in someone's web. Our unique power is then suppressed and we become far less than we can and should be. The traps and snares are however part of the journey and not to be simply avoided but overcome.

Thus our friend David is clearly a clever fellow, but trapped in the Judeo/Israeli paradigm he is far less than he could and should be. His natural talents and intellect is no longer deployed towards his unique self but rather he is engaged in counting and remembering Palestinian and Arab excesses against Israel and jews. These must always exceed those excesses listed by Palestinians or Arabs against Israelis and Jews. By always winning this count and adding to it with carefully crafted arguments and rhetorical tricks he can remain justified in his self imposed counting house.

May they all come to their senses.
Posted by YEBIGA, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 2:21:58 PM
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#To one under god

OK so I again randomly picked out another of your articles:
http://www.theeasterntribune.com/story/2578/israeli-forces-attack-al-aqsa-mosque/#sthash.wUPU2LbY.nQr8Wx8C.dpbs

Guess what - only half the story was told once again - that part that defamed the Jews

It stated:

"The Muslim worshipers gathered to defend the mosque and threw stones in retaliation of the gas grenades fired by the Israeli army. The Muslims chanted “We sacrifice our blood and souls for you, Aqsa!”

Al Jazeera however added the following to the article cited by you:

"Israeli police spokesperson Micky Rosenfeld said police had responded after stones were thrown at them.

"After the Friday prayers on the Temple Mount there were stones that were thrown by number of asked (sic) Palestinians toward police officers that were located at the Mughrabi area which is just outside the Temple Mount," he said

"Israeli police units responded by using stun grenades and entering inside the Temple Mount area, immediately we made sure that we dispersed all the rioters."

Rosenfeld said police had arrested seven people during the two-hour operation."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/02/israeli-forces-raid-al-aqsa-mosque-201427164534755189.html

Again your sources quote half the facts - the stuff that propaganda breeds on.

As for your claim:

"GO DESTROY PALISTEIN IF YOU DARE
your slow killing them with starvation/poisend water..radioactive munitions gass warfare phosphor and OTHER inHUMANE..perversions.."

How come the Palestinian Arab population both in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza are increasing in numbers?

I am sick of your unsubstantiated Jew-hating statements based on incomplete and deliberately omitted facts.

Revise your reading list and get the whole story - not half.

I am done with you mate.

Rave on to your heart's content

You are a nasty piece of business. Next post from you will be met with good news from Israel. Discussions with you are a complete waste of time.
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 2:27:49 PM
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Zionists operate a pincer movement to justify their brutal occupation of stolen land. Both arms of the movement base themselves on a claim that outsiders have "given" the land of the Palestinians to foreign Übermenschen.

1. The arm favoured by modernists like David Singer rests on gifts of the land (through treaties and resolutions) by non-Palestinians to get the "Jewish problem" out of their hair.

2. The other arm, favoured for example by that truly vile and eminently shootable woman (a Sharon aide de camp) who spoke on last night's Four Corners programme[1] is the blasphemous claim that God promised the land to the so-called "Jewish nation". A gift of Palestinian land by an invented non-Palestinian "God" to an invented non-Palestinian "nation"!

Mr Singer's "solution" is to sweep the Palestinians into Jordan (until the Zionists discover a divine promise of Jordan to "the Jewish nation").

There's a much better solution - sweep the settlers back into their own homelands or the homelands of whoever would be stupid enough to have them.

The very WORST solution is for the decent people of decent countries to even CONSIDER wasting any more lives and treasure pulling the chestnuts out of the fire for a bunch of wannabe Übermenschen and their sacrilegious claims. Averting any risk of this requires a long battle to change unmerited sympathy into richly earned hostility, in the teeth of whining claims of "Jew-hating" or (ta-ta-ta-taaa) "Antisemitism".

[1] If you missed Four Corners it's at http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/view/81460405 until Sunday week (March 02). A vivid picture of the filth against which decent people worldwide are ranged.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 2:43:16 PM
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Dear Yebiga,

I also fully agree, just as you and your friends on the philosophy forum agreed, that "once a religion begins to sell itself as the sole path to god it is a problem. I think once a religion purports anything without compassion and understanding it has lost its way and become dangerous. And of course, once a religion attempts to become a nation, it is no religion at all."

But what you refer to as a "slippery slope", is not religion, but the way people and organisations gradually dilute and ultimately abandon religion.

Yes, ex-religious organisations can indeed turn nasty; and yes, they often conveniently retain their religious title, which they benefit from, even long after they stopped being religious. However, that's a statement about certain people, not about religion!

We have no dispute about the character of Mr. Singer, but I can't recall Mr. Singer ever writing about religion. If he has any religious views, then he is probably keeping them to himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he is an atheist. Even according to Jewish criteria, Mr. Singer is not religious, if for nothing else because he breaks the Sabbath, which the bible describes as a crime punishable by "having this soul cut-off from its nation" (translated by the Rabbis into death by burning).

Would you not feel hurt, say if a criminal bikie gang called itself "The Yebiga Family", then having people talk about you as "Yebiga the criminal bastard"? Are you responsible for what name they chose for themselves?

Well that's how I feel when you accuse David Singer of "religious ardour"!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 5:17:46 PM
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hi david..ok mate i will accerpt your offer
one for the one
or the one for all?

anyhow..i got a google fore you
unlike me you dont provide prooF

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=DIRTY+JEWS+AND+THE+CHRISTIAN+RIGHT

its an expose'..of the [DIRTY WASHING/..filth..eh?

here is a JEW-friendly linK
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.572391

ANYHOW ITS A BOOK MATE..it just sounds like the end time trumpet
but we know your not into that god stuff/dont even do the jewish kosha things.

in short you helped kill god and youR MESSIAH*

PS IM IN COURT YET AGAIN TODAY[as i told you in the haters threat*
i met with your pals..[atheist peers]..still trying to get through..to your master$..their through.

so lets begin with you..anything you say is jew..i will say was stolen by mossad via bugging usa..[mossad share intell..gatherd illegally..[if any inventor emailed it..'IT'..WENT TO MOSSAD..VIA..a zionist atheist secular thief plagiarized it..

spying only works..cause yoU FOOLS WANT TO KNOW
WELL..in fcourt today..they will know

you better hope i get run over by THE BUSS
CAUSE I GOTTA GO..

ps remaining silent..wont work..this time
i still got your last 3 things..you govE UP WITH LAST TIME8

anyhow gotta go
a date with destiny
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 8:24:25 AM
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0K DONE..in court again 6 may*=judge-meant day
how does that wORK IN with exodus?

ye who..PAINT YOUR DOOR-sill WITH BLOOD?
[know that..wont work forever]

ANYHOW IM MISSING YOUR PRIDE IN YOUR SECULAR[GODFREE STATE..LOL GOOD LUCK WITH THAt one....once the world realizes the uber menche..weaR NO CLOTHES..GIG IS UP...without god your just another bunch of GODLESS colonizers RAPING REAPING AND PLUNDERING..

PLUS sending the world broke via thE CLAY GOYUM..Usa..serving the godless with the false god of fiatised paper..when your masters lord it over the world

no more oh son of zion..go ahead and boast while you can
its time you payed the rent/pay the piper/OR THE Reaper

you planted gmo/you made worlds WAR
go hide your shame*..iTS NEVER TOO LATE TO CHANGE YOUR MIND AND HELP EXPOSE TRUTH..but i know thats not in you..anyhow sharron says thanks.

give me the GOOD THINGS DAVID
let us know whats good about MOSSAD SPYing
lest we forget the cleverest..'jew'..worked as a patent clerk..[plagiarizing ALL THE WAY HOME]..

your COMMUNAL*pride is misplaced..[bow down before the god you rejected..and beg for forgiveness from the rejected christ.

he came to his own..who knew him not*
see that god is displeased with blood and gore

NO MORE*
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 12:42:56 PM
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Under one god
Wow. Calm down. Clearly your very angry at Israel and there is cause. But No need to become unhinged and paranoid. No need to buy into their spiral of hate and paranoia.

It is they who must live in constant surveillance, constant fear, constant lies and elaborate deceptions. It is they who daily win new enemies, new antipathies. it is they who are already unhinged. It is not necessary to fight them they are at war with themselves. Every lie, every abuse day after day the paranoia possess them.

Every gesture, every word, even a look is to them anti Semitic. With every brutalised Palestinian they brutalise themselves. With every new settlement their minds become more diseased, more committed to their own self destruction.

Daily they are more reviled every where in the world. they themselves daily beocme more ashamed of themselves. Even their own are turning to self hatred or turning away. Their retired soldiers traumatised hollow shells of men. To them every neighbour is an enemy and every dark street harbours a new enemy.

Israel the world over is recognised as an embarrassment to all of humanity. Its adherents are possessed with a murderous fever.
Posted by YEBIGA, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 4:08:14 PM
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yeah big a..i love the way you say

"We despise all reverences and all objects of reverence
which are outside the pale of our list of sacred things.

And yet, with strange inconsistency, we are shocked when other people despise and defile the things which are holy to us." -- Mark Twain,

http://rinf.com/alt-news/business-news/false-compromises-wont-resolve-education-debate/

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/news/israel-won-t-lift-gaza-blockade-appease-turkey

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/news/russia-rebukes-washington-after-obama-comments-syria

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/news/egypts-el-sissi-heads-moscow-amid-reports-gulf-funded-arms-deal

http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/amazon-cia-assassinations/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/us-fed-chair-janet-yellen-reassures-wall-street-easy-money-policy/

http://investmentwatchblog.com/peter-schiff-you-are-going-to-see-riots-in-the-streets/
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 13 February 2014 6:19:12 AM
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http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/tide-turns-israel/

The Zionist War Against Ukraine: Liberate the Discourse Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujk2QUSXyNw&list=UUjNKMHqfoVSuJF739U66_7g&feature=c4-overview

In a MUST-LISTEN program, the one and only Jonathan Azaziah navigates the minefield of European nationalism, WW2 revisionism, anti-Jewish-supremacism, anti-Zionism, cultural imperialism, how they all interlock

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/todays-toon-israeli-apartheid-week/
http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/cooperation-near-far-big-small-one-final-note-pete-seeger/

and why understanding their interconnectedness
is integral to taking our struggle to the next level.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/corporate-global-banking-elite-v-humanity/
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/non-participation-and-decentralization-as-primers-for-revolution_022014

You will not hear this kind of analysis anywhere else.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-world-continued-to-steadily-march-down-a-self-destructive-path-toward-oblivion/

http://rss.infowars.com/20140211_Tue_Alex.mp3
http://republicbroadcasting.org/Stang/index.php?cmd=archives.month&ProgramID=77&year=14&month=2&backURL=index.php%253Fcmd%253Darchives.getyear%2526ProgramID%253D77%26year%3D14%26backURL%3Dindex.php%253Fcmd%253Darchives
Posted by one under god, Friday, 14 February 2014 8:14:16 AM
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