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Murdoch massages Abbott message : Comments

By Alan Austin, published 31/1/2014

The Abbott government is experiencing more challenges in its early months than many supporters had hoped. Hence Rupert Murdoch has been obliged to expand efforts to conceal some difficulties.

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Alan

no no Alan stop the nit picking. It is unbecoming and adds to your silliness. Tell me what boats have arrived in Australia not just in Australian waters. Those that have arrived in Australian waters have been sunk or towed back. Don't you listen to the ABC and all the other lefties who hate that Abbott is actually doing as he said he would.
There were a few boats during the Rudd and Gillard years that arrived in Australian waters but did not arrive in Australia also ... but not with the same results Abbott is having.

Again explain why the leftie greens/labor and media alliance arn't ranting on about boats arriving in Australia under Abbott now. Not so long ago they raved on and accused him of lying about his tow back policy ... before he started towing them back?

You can't lie you way out of that... or this

your link to disprove Tony Abbott's academic success clearly says the following:

'Mr Abbott won a Rhodes Scholarship to come to Oxford and his Bachelor of Economics from the University of Sydney qualified him to be exempt from the first year of the PPE course at Oxford. Therefore, he started his course at the Queen’s College in October 1981 and took his final examinations in June 1983.

Mr Abbott had his MA conferred on 21st October 1989.

Should you require further information please do not hesitate to contact this office.

From the Academic Administrator: Joyce Millar M.A. (Edin)
The Queen’s College. Oxford OX1 4AW'

You used this as an authority so you deliberately lied when you said

'He has no qualifications in economics that anyone can verify.'

According to your quoted authority, the Academic Administrator at The Queen's College, did in fact verify his study and completion of an Economic's degree from the University of Sydney.

Why can't you do the same or at least not cast doubt on the reputation of somebody who has.

or is it that again you think, like a good little lying leftie, peddling leftie cr-p, that you know better that those qualified?
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 3 February 2014 12:31:18 PM
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yep the boats can't be stopped, the carbon tax can't be abolished and Abbott is unelectable. How the hatred of the 'progressives' has been fueled by a Government doing what it promised to do. After 5 years of lies, incompetence and economic vandalism you would think they would of be shamed into shutting up. Instead the hatred grows stronger. The ABC makes up lies about torture and Alan makes up lies about Abbotts qualifications. No mention on how they so desperately defended Thompson and unions. How sick and desperate!
Posted by runner, Monday, 3 February 2014 1:32:50 PM
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Alan,

You are the one that made the outrageous claims, the onus is on you to show that TA did not complete his BE, yet achieved a Rhodes scholarship, and claimed TA completed a degree of which economics constitutes 1/3rd without doing any economics.Why on earth would the onus be on me to prove that an economics course contains economics subjects?

You are such a rubbish investigator, how can you seriously call yourself a journalist. Why not simply check the course content:

http://www.ppe.ox.ac.uk/index.php/course-information
http://www.ppe.ox.ac.uk/index.php/course-content-economics

I would call that a slam dunk. How does the crow taste?

As for his IQ, getting into Sydney law already excludes over 99 of 100 students, the Rhodes scholarship is offered to only one exceptional post grad student per year, and entry to the Oxford PPE course is only offered to a small % of those applying, and the minimum requirements for application are already extremely strict.

A second class pass would put him in the top 0.1% of students. He certainly has more intellectual horsepower than KRudd, Juliar, Shorten, and his success is proof of it.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 3 February 2014 2:08:00 PM
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Good morning all,

@runner, no, not at all.

No evidence for any of that, is there?

@Imajulianutter, re: “Tell me what boats have arrived in Australia not just in Australian waters.”

That is the point precisely, Keith. We don’t know what boats, or how many boats have arrived in Australian waters or onto land, how many refugees were aboard, where they are from or when they arrived.

Your government knows, but it wants you kept ignorant. Similarly, we don’t know how many have been sunk or towed back.

We do know, however, from Indonesia, where there is an open and accountable government, and from occasional snippets of news leaked out of Christmas Island, that boats are still arriving.

If you are keen to stay well-informed on this, Keith, it is good to read the Jakarta Post regularly. Here’s a recent article which fills in a few gaps for us:

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/01/27/australia-s-turn-back-boat-policy-there-always-a-choice.html

You may find this helpful also, Keith, in understanding why your government is being so secretive:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-inadvertent-abbott-governments-indonesian-crisis,6075

On Mr Abbott’s qualifications, please check what was actually written. You don’t need to be so upset.

There seems little doubt that Mr Abbott gained an undergraduate degree in economics at Sydney University. No-one has disputed that. But what were the economics subjects passed?

As discussed earlier, it is possible to become a Doctor of Letters without actually studying anybody’s personal correspondence, or a Doctor of Philosophy with no research whatsoever into Aristotle and Kierkegaard, and a Bachelor of Arts in the School of Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford without a single class on economics – as Shadow Minister has uncovered. [See below]

So, if you can locate Mr Abbott’s academic record at Sydney Uni, that would be helpful.

Meanwhile, cheer up. You’re among friends. No need to be so grumpy.

More soon …

Cheers,

Alan A
Posted by Alan Austin, Monday, 3 February 2014 8:27:51 PM
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Hello again,

@Shadow Minister, no, not really.

Re: “You are the one that made the outrageous claims, the onus is on you to show that TA did not complete his BE …”

No, not at all. The claim was simply that “He has no qualifications in economics that anyone can verify.” Nothing outrageous about observing that helpful information is being withheld for some strange reason, is there?

If that is “outrageous”, SM, then what do you make of Mr Costello’s “Abbott is an economic illiterate”? Or of Mr Hewson: “He has no interest in economics and has no feeling for it – he is innumerate”?

Or we could read Nikki Savva’s book. She was Mr Costello's press secretary for six years before moving to Mr Howard's cabinet office. She reports that a crucial turning point in Mr Costello's view of Mr Abbott came in 2003, when Mr Abbott told a newspaper he found economics "a bore".

"I have never been as excited about economics as some of my colleagues; you know, I find economics is not for nothing known as the dismal science," Mr Abbott said.

Refer here:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/opinion/oakes-bored-abbott-blew-chances/story-e6frg41u-1225825057019

Regarding the Oxford course content, SM, did you read the documents you have just linked?

Just a cursory reading reveals this: “At least two of the following subjects at a higher level: Philosophy, politics and economics.”

That seems to confirm that a BA in the School of PPE can be completed with studies in just two out of three disciplines, and the other discipline avoided completely.

Correct?

Surely the transcript shows Mr Abbott took the philosophy and politics subjects and left economics well alone.

No?

So how did you go with the 694000 results showing articles on Mr Abbott at Davos, SM? How many did you find which favourably report Mr Abbott’s contribution, not written by a Murdoch employee in Australia?

Please post links here, SM.

If there are none, then doesn't that validate the claim in articles posted here already that Mr Abbott exposed to the world his embarrassingly feeble grasp of economics at Davos?

Thanks.

Cheers,

AA
Posted by Alan Austin, Monday, 3 February 2014 8:40:18 PM
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Alan,

You started with “He has no qualifications in economics that anyone can verify"

Now "There seems little doubt that Mr Abbott gained an undergraduate degree in economics at Sydney University."

That is as close an admission that you were wrong the first time that we will get.

Please stop linking your own articles. It is very sad.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 3:43:11 AM
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