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Murdoch massages Abbott message : Comments

By Alan Austin, published 31/1/2014

The Abbott government is experiencing more challenges in its early months than many supporters had hoped. Hence Rupert Murdoch has been obliged to expand efforts to conceal some difficulties.

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Alan your own link to the SMH says clearly Tony Abbott had a degree in Economics fromthe uni of sydney. That contradicts ... your claims.
Don't you read your own evidence?
Posted by imajulianutter, Saturday, 1 February 2014 1:21:35 PM
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Good morning again, SM.

Please calm down. And please read what was actually written. It says there is no evidence of Mr Abbott having “qualifications in economics that anyone can verify”. That’s all.

By evidence, I mean a statement of academic record or some similar documentation. There are plenty of claims, and several pointers to the strong likelihood – such as that Wikipedia entry – but no actual evidence.

Please note that I did not say “he has no economics qualifications”. Pretty important difference. No?

Also please note that the title of a degree does not always indicate subject matter. My friend Ian has a doctorate of philosophy. Does this mean he is an authority on Plato, Nietzsche and Heidegger? No, he studied the chemistry of pre-stressed concrete.

Did you read Mark Kenny’s report on Mr Abbott’s Oxford record? Do you still believe he has “a degree in economics and a Masters from Oxford with a strong economics base”?

So. Do we have a link to the subjects Mr Abbott passed at Sydney Uni, SM? If so, please share.

No, I didn’t read 10000 reports from Davos. But certainly made thorough web searches in French, English and German.

Pretty sure nothing was missed. You will find the results of the French and English language searches here:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbotts-davos-disaster,6098

If you can find any positive analysis of Mr Abbott’s contribution at Davos which you think I may have missed, then by all means share the link.

Happy to discuss further, SM.

Cheers,

Alan A
Posted by Alan Austin, Saturday, 1 February 2014 8:37:08 PM
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Good morning Imajulianutter,

The reality is that you and I just do not know how many boats are arriving on Australian shores or into Australian waters, do we?

The government and the military know, but they want you kept in the dark.

If a boat had landed on Melville Island with 100 Sri Lankans yesterday and the Australian navy had rounded them all up and shipped them back to Indonesian waters and put them in lifeboats within sight of Rote or Sumba, how would we ever know?

The Abbott government has stopped the information about the boats. It may or may not have stopped the boats.

The admission yesterday that at least one refugee was admitted to hospital on Christmas Island suggests the boats have not been stopped at all, doesn’t it?

Regarding Mr Abbott’s degree from Sydney University, Keith, do you know what subjects?

Do you accept that Peter Costello said that Tony Abbott is “a DLP stooge and an economic illiterate”?

Do you accept that John Hewson said, “He has no interest in economics and has no feeling for it – he is innumerate”.

Do you think Costello and Hewson were reflecting their personal knowledge having worked with Mr Abbott, or were they lying?

Happy to discuss,

Cheers,

AA
Posted by Alan Austin, Saturday, 1 February 2014 8:53:21 PM
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Alan,

I caught you out in a lie, now you are trying to weasel out of it, but what you posted is in black and white.

First "This was immediately arresting because of the PM’s legendary economic illiteracy." This is a lie that is legendary simply because all the left whingers such as your self keep telling it, not because it has any basis, nor is it believed outside the small incestuous clique of the far left.

Next

"No, you are quite mistaken about Mr Abbott’s qualifications. He has no qualifications in economics that anyone can verify.

At Oxford he did not study economics at all."

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151706483857665&set=a.75281052664.80938.502317664&type=1&theater

That is a lie of epic proportions, as it took me only seconds to verify, and the transcript from Oxford certifies that he achieved a second class MA degree from Oxford in Philosophy, politics and economics and recognises his prior qualifications of a bachelor of economics from Sydney University.

Are you seriously claiming that without a transcript of every exam he sat in his 3 degrees and having achieved a Rhodes scholar ship, you will assume that he is unqualified.

If you are caught lying simply apologise and move on. Don't keep digging the hole deeper. However, your journalistic integrity and credibility are shredded.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 2 February 2014 4:58:04 AM
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Shadow Minister, get a life and move on. Who cares whether Abbott has a degree in dunny cleaning , all I want is a non secretive leader and that he ain't, and his band of merry men and woman are no better. Cheers for the Independent Australian newspaper and Boos for the Murdoch owned Australian newspaper.
Posted by Ojnab, Sunday, 2 February 2014 9:38:08 AM
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Hi Onjab,

Congratulations on the results of your Cult Rhetoric assessment. We are delighted to inform you that you scored 10 out of a possible 19 on the “Hassan Scale” of self indoctrinated proselytizers.

Exhibits a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society.

Attack Independent Thought - Critical thinking is discouraged as prideful and sinful, blind acceptance encouraged.

Absolutism - Insist on total, unquestioning obedience and submission to the rhetoric, both actions AND thoughts.

Motive Questioning- When sound evidence against is presented, question the motivation of the presenter.

Encourages blind acceptance of the orthodoxy and rejection of logic through complex lectures on incomprehensible doctrines.

Create a false sense of righteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world.

Supports extreme obsessiveness regarding the group orthodoxy, resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.

Whenever the orthodoxy is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".

Adopt "loaded" language (characterized by "thought-terminating clichés").

Rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism.

Source : Steven Hassan (cult expert). (taken from the BITE analysis)

Don’t you find it just a little curious that those who claim higher “intellect” are the very ones that “adopt and opinion” rather than engage in “rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism” in order to arrive at their own conclusions?

Over your head I guess.
Posted by spindoc, Sunday, 2 February 2014 10:23:07 AM
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