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Responsibility and alcohol related violence : Comments

By Tim Pascoe, published 14/1/2014

These teenagers were not killed by Smirnoff or Johnny Walker, they were killed by Kieran Loveridge and Shaun McNeil; individuals prone to violence regardless of whether they were intoxicated or not.

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Good article; personal responsibility is a concept which has been submerged under decades of progressive hand-wringing. In a democracy like ours personal rights and responsibilities are fundamental to its success.

On the issue of being drunk or affected by drugs mitigating responsibility, that notion was determined a long time ago by the McNoughton case but there are limited exceptions involving alcohol and drugs where otherwise the simple fact of being drunk or drug affected is not sufficient to plead as a defence:

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=XI-3YoVqTyIC&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=McNaughton+defence&source=bl&ots=Aj8LQxSoOz&sig=TAOC7ruEWgw1WTd72zpwI4hpBtI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1F7UUqLdFYvHkAWNm4Fo&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=McNaughton%20defence&f=false
Posted by cohenite, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 7:51:17 AM
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No one is suggesting "Banning alcohol" but reducing hours alcohol is served.
I think hours should be reduced as well as formally disallowing any defense of the drink made me do it.
Further to this start mandating legal aid defense costs so that trials do not take years to come to court and then weeks to decide. If the sleazy lawyers want to make a point let them pay for it.
It takes four times longer than fifty years ago for justice to be done at a commensurate cost to us and that is a disgrace.
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 7:54:20 AM
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As well as limiting the availability of alcohol, another thing to do would be to ban the flood of bloody conflicts from America 'Inside The Octagon' shown on our television sets!

America's history shows a penchant for violence but why for God's Sake are we allowing these obscene, brutal gladiatorial conflicts so enjoyed by Americans to be shown to our children?

The idea behind the bouts is that someone should be smashed into unconsciousness or have a hold applied that requires submission otherwise a broken limb occurs.

We might as well bring back the gladiatorial contests in Ancient Rome where people were forced to fight to the death.

Perhaps that will be the next step?
Posted by David G, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 8:13:15 AM
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Grog increases propensity to violence - because many people drink to feel less inhibited about what they do.
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 9:44:48 AM
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Alcohol is not the problem it's people there should be zero tolerance for violence.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 9:56:46 AM
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Yes, some people are violent in nature, or perhaps grew up with violence and figure it is a 'normal' part of life.

However, how many times do you hear people saying 'Oh he/she is never 'agro' unless they have a drink in them.'?
Even with domestic violence in the home, the perpetrator is very often reported to be affected by alcohol.

Alcohol may not actually cause the violence, but I would suggest a drunk person would go that one step further when bashing someone, causing severe damage or death, where they ordinarily may have stopped the bashing earlier.

Shut all the pubs and clubs at midnight, and enact stricter laws on establishments that continue serving obviously intoxicated people.
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 10:10:40 AM
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