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All ado about ADIZ : Comments

By Philip Coggan, published 11/12/2013

China's declaration of the ADIZ is driven at least in part by a strong current of nationalism, shared by both the elite and ordinary Chinese: Japan's reaction is also in part nationalistic, no matter how strong Japan's legal claims to the islands are.

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Hi David,

Not that it's relevant to this topic, but just to bring you up to speed:

* George Bush is no longer President.

* Cheney is no longer Vice-President.

* the US is far weaker now than it appeared to be in 2003.

* Other countries are far stronger now than they were in 2003.

Now, on that basis, is there any chance you might respond to the topic ?

Or have you been moving towards it, by preparing the rhetorical ground for support for an alternative imperialism which, in your view, has the right to replace the US as the major imperialist power ?

Just trying to get a hold on your thinking :)

Joe
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Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 16 December 2013 7:45:58 AM
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"The only winner in the islets dispute is the Chinese navy, which by now has overwhelming and unquestioning domestic support for naval modernization and fleet expansion. Tokyo’s confrontational attitude has resurrected painful memories of past atrocities and imperialist arrogance during the two modern wars against China. It is just a matter time before an aging and less agile Japan slips badly, and the Chinese forces move in – hopefully for no more than those tiny outcrops.

The strategic pivot policy promises only costly military spending and humiliating setbacks ahead. Japanese policymakers should accept a world court judgment, if only to prevent future losses of legitimate national territory, which is more vulnerable than any military strategist is ready to admit in public. The long-term interests of Japan and the US are better served by a maritime security treaty and resource partnership with China and Russia, not a self-defeating rivalry against these East Asian powers.

If a strategic retreat is not implemented sooner than later, the Senkaku-Diaoyu dispute could rapidly escalate into the last battle of the Pacific War and the first shots fired in World War III. Diplomacy, as the art of compromise, is needed more than ever to prevent the unthinkable."

Yoichi Shimatsu, a Hong Kong-based journalist, is former editor of the Japan Times Weekly in Tokyo . His article is well worth reading (especially by American Apologists and those who can't think laterally) and is featured on GlobalResearch.ca
Posted by David G, Monday, 16 December 2013 10:57:25 AM
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It really does seem that you are actually arguing for Chinese imperialism. Your mindset is shared by many of the ultra nationalist pro-war PLA members, who is able to interpret history anyway they want to justify an expansionist imperial policy, all somehow to fault of every other country they decide to attack.

"A more troubling example of irredentism can be seen in an article which appeared on the website of the Chinese news agency Zhongguo Xinwenshe (Chinese, English translation here) in July this year. Entitled ‘Revealing the Six Wars China Must Fight in the Coming 50 Years’ , the article is another manifestation of the hyper-nationalist attitude seen within some parts of the PLA. However, that an article of this nature was carried by a PRC national news agency suggests that it was approved at a very high level.

The six ‘inevitable’ wars suggested in the article’s title are presented in the chronological order in which they will take place:

The war to unify Taiwan (2020–2025)
The war to recover the various islands of the South China Sea (2025–2030)
The war to recover southern Tibet (2035–2040)
The war to recover Diaoyutai and the Ryukyus (2040–2045)
The war to unify Outer Mongolia (2045–2050)
The war to recover the territory seized by Russia (2055–2060)"

http://www.aspistrategist.org.au/chinas-six-wars-in-the-next-50-years/
Posted by Stezza, Monday, 16 December 2013 1:21:30 PM
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Posted by David G, Monday, 16 December 2013 2:04:18 PM
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So there are two David G.s, one (hidden beneath all the rhetoric) peace-loving, the other an apologist for Chinese imperialism, 'lebensraum', the right to rule others because it is big ?

The first, hidden, David G. can write: 'It is for folk who are genuinely involved in the search for truth, people who, if they could, would like to completely change the world and get rid of the current motley collection of Predators and Parasites and Warlords who run it to advantage themselves' - and leave off the ending: '... including the Chinese.' How are they so different from other imperialisms, including the former Japanese version, with its similar push for 'lebensraum' ? Or the US or British ? They all have their apologists, who think they have the right to rule.

The other is a perfect example of the appeasement of power. As Stezza points out, the Chinese take a long view of their ultimate control of most of Asia and the Pacific. Personally, I think they will hurry up that time-table, with friends like David G. - and they'd better because their demographic time-bomb is going to hit long before that agenda can be enforced. By 2050, their population will be comparatively very old and getting older, and will be starting to decline.

Be careful of what horses you back, David :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 16 December 2013 3:09:46 PM
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Dear Joe,
if you could answer the following it would help me to help you!

a. How many fairies do you have at the bottom of your garden?
ans: 1.
ans: 10.
ans: I can't count past ten.

b. When you talk to God does he say to you:
ans: Your Highness.
ans: tries hard but just doesn't get it!
ans: We don't want no Loud-mouths in our heavenly choir!

c. When a female wolf-whistles you do you?
ans: put on deodorant?
ans: blow your nose?
ans: engage in self-indulgence?

d. When you hear the word 'Obama' do you:
ans: put boot-polish on your pride and joy?
ans: Sing 'Old Man River'?
ans: look up 'enhancement' in the Yellow Pages?

e. When you hear the word 'America' do you?
ans: curse God because he didn't make you an American?
ans: curse Australia because it hasn't joined the American Union?
ans: feel like going to the nearest MacDonalds to pig out?

f. When you hear the world 'war' do you feel?
ans: excited?
ans: depressed?
ans: show me the wonderful photograph of Hiroshima again!

g. When you hear the song: If I Ruled The World do you feel?
ans: antipathy?
ans: bilious?
ans: Like Hitler?

I await your revelations. Think carefully. I have had some training in psychology.

Your friend.
Posted by David G, Monday, 16 December 2013 5:07:02 PM
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