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All ado about ADIZ : Comments

By Philip Coggan, published 11/12/2013

China's declaration of the ADIZ is driven at least in part by a strong current of nationalism, shared by both the elite and ordinary Chinese: Japan's reaction is also in part nationalistic, no matter how strong Japan's legal claims to the islands are.

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Yes, David, you are completely correct: before the War there were powers, who felt aggrieved by the West, by the US and Britain in particular, and who scorned democracy, and who rapidly militarised, amidst a barrage of propaganda that they had been done wrong but their day was coming.

Sounds familiar ?

And there were those who sought to appease them. Looked in a mirror lately, David ?

And all they needed was some trumped-up provocation and they were away.

Hmmmm, I wonder if, anywhere in the East China and the South China Seas, there could possibly be grounds for such a provocation ?

Any ideas, David ?
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 14 December 2013 7:51:44 PM
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Washington Drives the World Toward War

Paul Craig Roberts

Washington has had the US at war for 12 years: Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, and almost Syria, which could still happen, with Iran waiting in the wings. These wars have been expensive in terms of money, prestige, and deaths and injuries of both US soldiers and the attacked civilian populations. None of these wars appears to have any compelling reason or justifiable explanation. The wars have been important to the profits of the military/security complex. The wars have provided cover for the construction of a Stasi police state in America, and the wars have served Israel’s interest by removing obstacles to Israel’s annexation of the entire West Bank and southern Lebanon.

As costly and destructive as these wars have been, they are far below the level of a world war, much less a world war against nuclear armed opponents.

The fatal war for humanity is the war with Russia and China toward which Washington is driving the US and Washington’s NATO and Asian puppet states. There are a number of factors contributing to Washington’s drive toward the final war, but the overarching one is the doctrine of American exceptionalism.

According to this self-righteous doctrine, America is the indispensable country. What this means is that the US has been chosen by history to establish the hegemony of secular “democratic capitalism” over the world. The primacy of this goal places the US government above traditional morality and above all law, both its own and international.

Thus, no one in the US government has been held accountable for unprovoked aggression against other countries and for attacking civilian populations, unambiguous war crimes under international law and the Nuremberg standard. Neither has anyone in the US government been held accountable for torture, a prohibited crime under US law and the Geneva Conventions. Neither has anyone been held accountable for numerous violations of constitutional rights--spying without warrants, warrantless searches, violations of habeas corpus, murder of citizens without due process, denial of legal representation, conviction on secret evidence. The list is long.
Posted by David G, Sunday, 15 December 2013 6:37:42 AM
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Continued:

American citizens seem to have little, if any, influence on their government or even awareness of its intentions. Moreover, there is no organized opposition behind which Americans could rally to stop Washington’s drive toward world war. Hope, if there is any, would seem to lie with Washington’s European and Asian puppets. What interests do these governments have in putting the existence of their countries at risk for no other purpose than to help Washington acquire hegemony over the world? Cannot they realize that Washington’s game is a death-dealing one for them?
Posted by David G, Sunday, 15 December 2013 6:49:40 AM
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Holy mackerel!

<<Washington Drives the World Toward War>>

<<Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, and almost Syria, which could still happen, with Iran waiting in the wings>>

<<the wars have served Israel’s interest>>

<<The fatal war for humanity is the war with Russia and China toward which Washington is driving the US and Washington’s NATO and Asian puppet states>>

When I read David's --fire and brimstone eternal damnation --posts (sermons?)I can't help thinking about those Jehovah Witness brochures which predict the apocalypse and the coming final war between the forces of darkness and the forces of light.

The only real difference is David and the Jehovah Witness differ on which side Satan is leading.
Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 15 December 2013 7:32:51 AM
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Hi David,

So ...... because the US has done wrong, therefore others can too ?

Is that your best shot ?

Joe
www.firstsources.info
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 15 December 2013 8:05:33 AM
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By David Armstrong

Harper's Magazine, 0017789X, Oct 2002, Vol. 305, Issue 1829

"Few writers are more ambitious than the writers of government policy papers, and few policy papers are more ambitious than Dick Cheney’s masterwork. It has taken several forms over the last decade and is in fact the product of several ghostwriters (notably Paul Wolfowitz and Colin Powell), but Cheney has been consistent in his dedication to the ideas in the documents that bear his name, and he has maintained a close association with the ideologues behind them. Let us, therefore, call Cheney the author, and this series of documents the Plan.

The Plan was published in unclassified form most recently under the title of Defense Strategy for the 1990s, (pdf) as Cheney ended his term as secretary of defense under the elder George Bush in early 1993, but it is, like “Leaves of Grass,” a perpetually evolving work. This June it was a presidential lecture in the form of a commencement address at West Point, and in July it was leaked to the press as yet another Defense Planning Guidance (this time under the pen name of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld). It will take its ultimate form, though, as America’s new national security strategy – and Cheney et al. will experience what few writers have even dared dream: their words will become our reality.

The Plan is for the United States to rule the world. The overt theme is unilateralism, but it is ultimately a story of domination. It calls for the United States to maintain its overwhelming military superiority and prevent new rivals from rising up to challenge it on the world stage. It calls for dominion over friends and enemies alike. It says not that the United States must be more powerful, or most powerful, but that it must be absolutely powerful."

PS. Of course, intellectual luminaries like Loudmouth will quarrel with this view by an American but I'll go with the experts, not the uninformed chatters!
Posted by David G, Monday, 16 December 2013 7:11:36 AM
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