Yuyutsu,
Correct some Jews are Liberals,so are some White people but no Jews are White, their homeland is Israel, not Europe.
The stories about the Mandela myth being created an manipulated by Jews and Whites to serve their own interests are all true, so is the assertion that the ANC after the SACP takeover was a foreign insurgent group.
A liberal is not someone who loves freedom,he's someone who believes that the purpose of government is to make everyone equal,you're thinking of Libertarians or Anarchists.Formal equality as mandated by Liberal governments comes from the use of force from the top down, such as Anti Discrimination laws. We call Liberalism "flatland" because it's a horizontal system, it seeks to bring everything to the same level (which has to be the lowest point) and incorporates diversity in a lateral fashion.
However, as you well know all attempts at formal equality are just words, things people say, like "closing the gap" and "Marriage equality", they're the product of magical thinking arising from ignorance and superstition and that's why all intelligent people are unable to take them seriously.

Dear Jay,

How confusing, because in the context of this thread, Jews were considered "white" under apartheid, or more accurately "European".
As the Jews and Afrikaaners hated each other bitterly, had the Afrikaaners even a clue that the Jews are not white, then surely they would have created a special class for them as well. But they didn't.

"the Mandela myth"

Why a myth? Do you not agree that he was a great man?

We already know that the 'Liberal' party are in fact socialists, especially their leader, but now you also say that Australia's Labor party are 'Liberals' because they try to make everyone equal?

Jews are not white, but orange,
Mandela was an NKVD officer,
Liberals oppose liberty,

Or as the song goes:

It's hot in winter and cold in summer,
a fox is stupid - a donkey wise,
a blind man looks - a deaf listens,
Milk looks black - the pallid crow sings beautiful melodies,
The rabbit is brave - frogs blow the horn,
Vegetarians eat sausage - Bolsheviks pray,
Fish sail on trees - cats lay eggs,
Elephants dance the Charleston,
Children love going to school,
This is not a song but a story,
- and the internet is ancient!

Redistribution of wealth is one of the great stumbling blocks faced by those who seek to dismantle regimes like Apartheid-era South Africa. The disempowered tend to desire what they once saw in the hands of the people who dominated them, and rightly so. From simple things like running water to more extravagant things - prestige cars, fancy appliances, wonderful foods ... and they (or at least SOME of them) did see these things in their roles as domestic servants, deliverymen, labourers, etc.

When the affluence once shared by 4 million people is distributed among 50 million, there isn't enough to go around. Unsurprisingly, white people employed by other white people cling onto their well-paid jobs, continue to send their children to good, high-fee schools and continue to live well. They can afford good healthcare, they can afford nutritious food and they can afford security for their homes. In a sense, they protect what they have. While some of the wealth may trickle down to the newly-empowered former underclass, the bulk of it stays in the same old hands. Legal barriers to the advancement of the black majority are replaced by economic barriers. While some services may end up going down the gurgler or forcing budget blowouts (e.g. having to share their healthcare facilities, or electricity, or water), others remain much the same.

With this in mind, I'm not surprised that 40% of white South Africans disagreed with the statement that the previous regime had wrongfully oppressed people of colour. Since the Rainbow Nation was born, their quality of life has decreased slightly and the quality of life of their black fellow-citizens has not improved much at all, despite the removal of the oppressive system.

About the only good thing I will say about Nelson Mandela was that he was the only black revolutionary leader who was smart enough to know that if South Africa followed every other black ruled government and chucked out the whites and Asians, the country would become a basket case.

It is funny when you realise that some people are still stupid enough to think that you can create a society with blacks and whites where everybody is equal and where there is no dividing line between black poverty and white and Asian prosperity. Sadly, the overwhelming majority of black people have very low intelligence which can easily be deduced by simply looking at how they behave.

South Africa is now one of the most dangerous places in the world for white people and the Boers are all trying to get into Australia. This should be encouraged as they are our own kith and kin and have no trouble integrating into Australian society and becoming productive members of our society. There are no South African or Rhodesian gangs running wild in our cities filling up our prisons and dole queues but plenty from other notorious ethnicities.

Let South Africa degenerate into barbarism again until some advanced society realises that it's land and resources would make a valuable addition to it's civilisation after AIDS kills off the blacks. South Africa has one of the worst proportions of AIDS infections in Africa because black South African men are just too dumb to wear condoms even though they are provided free by western do gooders.

There really are some nasty racists on this forum. I'm shocked at the number of you like Lego and Jay who seem to want to justify South African apartheid, and in Jay's case some sort of discrimination against Jews as well it would seem.

This was an article mostly about Mandela and economic governance but you guys have piled in to preach your gospels of hate.

Mandela wasn't perfect, but who is? He was, however, an inspirational leader, who demonstrated an extreme generosity of spirit. If someone else had been leading the majority party of black Africans at the time you might have seen South Africa turn into something like some of the African basket cases. As it is, it is still a major economy, unlike Zimbabwe, and is in a better position than most to develop quickly into a modern nation.

Because Mandela, fairly uniquely in my experience, was prepared to forgive, if not forget, and move on.

None of the revisionist sites that you are quoting can take that away from him.

There is no doubt that the white South African government would have fallen. The only question is how hard.

grayham/quote.."There is no doubt that the white South African government would have fallen...The only question is how hard."

good point..thing is everyone keeps missing
the DEMAND..of the sign..'of good faith'..[of releasing mandela
as a condition..of CUBA*..[backed by the might of the USSR..in cuba..leaving angolia]

IT WAS*..THE KEY 'domino''

BUT FOR FIDEL.castro..and his move/exit..from angolia..
MANDELA would still have been..in jail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Accord_(Angola)

<<While the hostilities in Angola continued,
the parties met in June and August in New York and Geneva and finally all approved an..*outline/agreement*of Principles..for a Peaceful Settlement in South Western Africa on 20 July[10] A ceasefire was finally agreed upon on August 8, 1988.[11]

<<During the negotiations..the South Africans were asked.for the release of Nelson Mandela..as a sign of goodwill,..which was denied.>>

yeah right
look at the TIMMING*..timming=everything

<<.Mandela remained in captivity until 2 February 1990

<<when the ANC African National Congress ban was lifted.

<<withdrawal was finalised in stages one month early on 25 May 1991

where would we be..[comrade?]
mandela would..either still be in..jail
or be..what i think castro wanted..but mandela denied.