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South Africa and Madiba's uncertain legacy : Comments

By David Robinson, published 9/12/2013

The reality is that South Africa has witnessed the replacement of racial apartheid with what is increasingly referred to as class apartheid.

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Interesting article.

The early nineties were certainly the time for neo-liberal fantasies, Fukuyama's essay, Russia was imagined as a future capitalist democracy and South Africa, without any democratic traditions whatsoever, was predicted to emerge as a functioning democracy.

Of course the apartheid regime had to be eliminated, that was a necessary condition for the emergence of democracy, but far from sufficient. There are ethnic and 'caste' tensions within the indigenous African community in South Africa and elsewhere in Africa and once the common enemy was overthrown these have emerged and there's the chilling spectre of Mugabe's Zimbabwe to contemplate. As to the Left mantra that only "White people are racists", I wouldn't fancy being a "European" farmer in a remote part of the country.
Posted by mac, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 7:41:10 AM
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I am not "preaching a gospel of hate" at all, GrahamY. I am simply pointing out some unpleasant facts which people like yourself do not want to even think about.

Black majority rule is absolutely stupid. It presumes that that black people are as a group are just as intelligent as whites and Asians. Prior to Mandela, even tin pot African "President for Life" did the dumb thing and tossed out the Asians and whites, the very ones who were the most productive and who made these African countries economically viable.

Most of Africa is now an economic basket case, holding out the begging bowl to the rest of the world. Mandela was smart enough to figure out from every other African leader's mistake that chucking out he whites and Asians was ad dumb thing to do. I was better to squeeze them than drive them away.

But the blacks are squeezing them so hard that the Boers are getting out. From what I hear of South Africa today, it is on the way down, it is just taking longer to get there. Infrastructure, roads, railways and even sewage systems are breaking down or decaying. Crime is out of control and much of it is due to the criminal behaviour of black police. While South Africa is now the rape capitol of the world.

This author tries the old "blame the white guy" excuse for black social and economic failure. But who is he going to blame when all the whites and Asians flee overseas? I know that some blacks can be smart but collectively, their mean intelligence is far below that of whites and Asians and that is the problem. I am sick and tired of people like this author "preaching a gospel of hate" at white people and always blaming us for the dysfunctions of blacks.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 3:30:44 PM
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lego/quote..<<..Black majority rule is absolutely stupid. It presumes that that black people are as a group are just as intelligent as whites and Asians.>>

oh..come-on..WE ALL..KNOW..the real/power
stands behind..the figurehead..tony..had expert advisers
and JUST/like every modern day leader..FOLLOWS THEIR ADVICE..implicitly.

thats how it works[except..then/of course you get..the likes/of
the thatcher/boy..gun-running to install/his figure head.

most are front guys that wised up
like mandela..[de clerk said no way..when..castro..
DEMANDED..his release as..a condition..to withdraw..from..angolia.

life is a stage..those in/the media..are only the actors

ENOUGH/allready

let/there be justice..for all
[L]-audible mandela[?]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mnHvgujwks8
FLASHBACK - Mandela slams Israel's Netanyahu at NAM summit

South African President Nelson Mandela on Wednesday condemned as ``narrow and chauvinistic'' the administration of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/southnews/NAM-re2-mandela.htm

Which may explain why so many media outlets
are trying to denigrate Mandela in the aftermath of his death.

Nelson Mandela Was On The U.S. Terrorist Watch List Until 2008
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/nelson-mandela-terrorist_n_4394392.html

Former South African President Nelson Mandela passed away Thursday evening at the age of 95. While he was revered by politicians today as a human rights icon, Mandela remained on the U.S. terrorism watch list until 2008, when then-President George W. Bush signed a bill removing Mandela from it.

Israeli forces attack protests
commemorating Mandela across West Bank

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=654814

Dozens of Palestinians were injured and one detained as Israeli forces opened fire to disperse protests against the Israeli occupation and commemorating Nelson Mandela's death across the West Bank on Friday afternoon.

Palestinians to Mandela:
Our Freedom Seems Possible Because You Reached Yours
http://www.commondreams.org/further/2013/12/06-0?

A moving open letter from Marwan Barghouthi, beloved Palestinian political prisoner, unifier and leader of the first and second Intifadas, now serving five life sentences in an Israeli prison, in honor of Nelson Mandela and his "capacity to defy oppression and apartheid, (and) choose justice over vengeance...(who) was "not only writing history, but contributing to the triumph of light over darkness." This, in contrast to a hypocritical U.S. complicit in support of today's apartheid over 20 disheartening years of keeping Palestinians occupied.

myth making?
http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/obama-falsely-asserts-he-is-mandela-follower/

soft press
http://bit.ly/19ppNnp
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fbi-investigated-anti-defamation-league-adl-for-espionage/5360458
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 4:02:27 PM
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http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/extractive-world-order-plundering-planet-earth-seizing-resources-and-erasing-cultures/

At the expense of the majority of the world’s population and the natural environment, the Imperialist class has been operating almost universally at home and abroad—and in many instances; inciting regional conflicts on the basis of subsurface sectarian divides.

Conflicts to which there are no other reasons for involvement than the need to assert the influence necessary in order to maintain the steady conduit of material and economic inputs required to continually grow the empire.

As domestic resources dry up, more and more will the Imperialist class employ tactics meant to destabilize other areas rich in resources or in geo-political significance because in doing they open them up to neo-liberal forms of shock exploitation and extortion.

Humanitarian aid and the US government’s professed aim to uphold human rights standards around the world falls flat in the face in the examination of their tools for manipulation: modern warfare, genocide, economic sanctions, aid blockades, structural adjustment programs, privatization, the support of military dictatorships, indefinite detention, torture, right-wing coup d’états, paramilitaries, death squads and alliances with rogue apartheid nations and groups.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/making-a-killing-with-cancer-a-124-6-billion-dollar-industry/

Also in their toolkit is an agricultural and economic policy designed to transfer the majority of the world’s most fertile land and food resources into their fold—a connection not commonly viewed as resource extraction but functions in the same capacity.
http://www.hangthebankers.com/confirmed-obama-administration-lied-about-syria-to-try-start-ww3/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/the-phony-pullout-from-afghanistan/

http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Pentagon%E2%80%99s_Map_of_Afghanistan%3A_An_Eldorado_of_Mineral_Wealth_and_Natural_Resources/31029/0/38/38/Y/M.html

http://investmentwatchblog.com/obama-implements-martial-law-before-collapse/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/extractive-world-order-plundering-planet-earth-seizing-resources-and-erasing-cultures/
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 4:12:31 PM
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http://www.google.com.au/search?q=mandela+family+charade
brain dead since june
http://guardianlv.com/2013/12/nelson-mandela-family-finally-gives-up-charade-and-admits-mandela-dead/

, his family refused to turn off the life support machines hooked up to his body. Thus, the family could keep him artificially “alive.” Their motive? To settle a huge lawsuit against Mandela’s estate.

It was revealed that Mandela’s family was suing him for control of his estate and since it is impossible to sue a dead person, it seems Mandela had to be kept “alive” with machines until a resolution could be found for the lawsuit.

Thus far, there is no word on whether that lawsuit had been settled, but there are already many speculations in the press that this announcement today will begin the battles over the Mandela estate afresh.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 13 December 2013 11:44:19 AM
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