...Why not an “Outlaw Bikie Commission”: After all, isn't this the done-thing when controlling unions portrayed as politically and criminally wayward, (CFMEU) ? Head the commission with a vindictive John Howard; should keep all liberal states happy!

as a die hard bikie
i..say definitively..go harder
cause we need solid law..to reign..back the corruptions globally

first they went..for the bikies
next..the ratings agencies..their lawyers and bankers
then the capitalists dicktraiters media whores and secret value trusts

politicians were found to-be serving
far too many..the..free lunch

we need tough laws..to..break..the rotted-fruits..into gulags

so come and get me..then..when..they came for you
all grounds of appeal..have been played out..and only..then can your crimes..be payed-out..in-full

[dont forget..the
proceeds of crime..can..not ever..NEVER..gainsay clear title...[ever]

next lets clean-up medicine/investment/political [parties
not just bikers and next unions[lets return death duties..upon tax avoiding trusts..[corporations/party funds..etc

[they 'die' every 20..years or so

go..get em
the harsher the better
to..get off..on...appeal.the bigger the damages
go for the value/return..follow the money..how rich..is to rich?

"Bikie laws sicken civil liberties" There are those two words again that so many like to invoke, civil liberties, . When would those who bleat so long and hard about liberty and rights take up the side of civil responsibilities?

For too long we have seen a softly, softly, approach by both the law enforcement agencies and the judiciary. Offenders released on bail reoffending. Sentences seemingly out of line with public expectations.

The bikie gangs have brought this on themselves. Attacks on members of a rival gang in public. Laying siege to a police station where a couple of members were held after arrest. Shootings. Are those the sorts of civil liberties we want?

When this sort of behaviour is on our streets it is up to our governments to act. I agree the laws go too far, but to date the existing laws have done little to address the issue and allowed the bikie gangs to do as they please. It had to stop.

Sparkyq says "Attacks on members of a rival gang in public. Laying siege to a police station where a couple of members were held after arrest. Shootings. Are those the sorts of civil liberties we want?"

I'm not aware of any civil liberties campaigner who thinks shooting people is a civil liberty. All those actions you mention are already against the law and carry serious penalties. If the police are willing to do their job, investigate crimes and prosecute people then I fail to see a problem. There should be no need to single out particular groups for extra punishment or for peculiar penalties such as preventing them from associating with other people. Simply enforce the law.

As a young man I enjoyed riding a bike. There's nothing quite like the wind in your hair, the flies in your teeth!
So, I have some empathy for law abiding bike riders, but none whatsoever, who use a club as a cover for sex slave trafficing and or, illicit drug sales, that can and do kill kids.
However, the current proposed laws may not be constitutional, and would be certainly outside the law, if we but had a bill of irrevocable rights.
One of which has to be the right of assembly! What's next, union meetings?
I believe the govt and the police have enough power to effectively deal with any crime, any more is just a recipe for corruption? I mean, we've been to this place before!
Rhrosty.

frosty..<<..However/the current proposed laws..may not be constitutional,>>

yes..by their own..measure
and most..certainly..in_qld..[who..simply ALLOWED..its..upper-house of review..lol..to..vote THEMSELVES..PLUS THEIR role in govt..away..FOREVER..it all..just went..away

whocomplained
who canyou complain..to[?]

its no where in..the constitution..
to..modify..the contracted terms/..after the fact
BUT BY PUBLIC REFERENDUM*..so treason..most high..is implied.

[ie peter beatup..rewrote the constitution..lol..int..oan act
[see qld..constitution-act[2002]..TECHNICALLY..they have defaulted their own warrant

but..*THEY own the court
and..no..court allows..the truth to be heard
it can only..judge..the..points in dispute..against previous higher court rulings]

and the judge wont affirm./.
ANYthing..that says the warrant..for his office..is dead

so the lies go on
getting ever bigger..and good govt..absurd
so they play might is right..no appeal..will..go there

<<..and would be certainly outside the law,>>

yeah..even..the cops lost their warrant to..act

you can-see..why peter signed his..'2002 qld constitution..act''..into/act..see..its a huge problem..
and by these special laws..the scam/is covered over..yet again

lawyers talking about a bill-of-rights
they have made rights..into..privilege..
and limited privilege..only..unto the few..

[license is permission..to..*do..that
otherwise..UNLAWFUL TO BE DONE..[by those..who..those are..seeking the powers of the law..ARE THE ONLY*ONES..*SUBJECT..to..it.

no*..court can..nor will
change nuthin..[no..matter how unfair]

and the civil rights guy..is just talking.
[he is..only a member of the..law..society..
because he..*is a servant..of the court..

so appeals..will be prepared
[colluded]..totally in..the paper realm
till they go..for the real..money shot[unions/bankers..etc

<<..the law s if we but had a bill of irrevocable rights.>>

god given rights exist..till govt privilege..killed all any right to anything[we slowly turned up the heat..you didnt notice the chains

till..that day..they came for you
its basic sic barrstardery..they can thus they do..it time they do..*it to you

recall.the tax on..machine guns..worked so well
it became the basis.of drug law

run...the appeal..points..[BADLY]..through..the appeal
AND ANY LOWER COURT..*MUST OBEY*..from that day on

things just work out better..for them..that way
when the natzie-state..began..killing the old and infirm..
then..the deviants..gipsie..the homo's the poles..ruskies..and eventually the jews..

where was the the outcry..
no..new$$$?