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Non violent, never passive: remembering Gandhi : Comments

By Lyn Bender, published 2/10/2013

We can stand by and choose to do nothing or be part of this tradition of resistance against injustice and its violence.

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The fatal flaw in Lyn's article is that she ignores or doesn't understand the nature of the State. It is that group in society claiming a legal monopoly of the initiation of force and threats against the person or property of others. This fact makes nonsense of her argument.

""There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for."

Oh really? Well let's take taxation. The State demands you pay as much of your property as the State unilaterally decides you must pay. They're not *asking* you. Taxation is not a voluntary donation. In fact and in law, it's a compulsory exaction. They're *telling* you.

Okay so let's take Ghandi on his first day as prime minister. Someone refuses to pay tax on the grounds that it's a violence-based transaction, and the victim chooses the way of ahimsa - non-violence.

Does that mean the State calls off its demands for money? Of course not! They'll start with letters, which are threats of future force, then go to fines, which are demands for money on threat of force. But ultimately, if you don't pay, they'll send armed men against you. If you resist they'll beat you into submission and try to lock you in a cage where you're at risk of being raped. But ultimately, if you keep resisting and defending yourself, they'll shoot you dead.

This is what Ghandi and Lyn stand for otherwise taxation would be voluntary, wouldn't it?

Lyn, ALL climate policy is based on the force and threats. Or are you suggesting compliance should be voluntary? No you're not are you Lynnie? Youíre contradicting yourself, arenít you? Government spending on climate policy is 3500 times that of Big Oil. It's you who stand for violent vested interests isnít it? Yes.

Renouncing aggressive violence is a good idea Lyn. When you do it, you'll be a libertarian, and more non-violent than Ghandi.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 8:59:11 AM
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Lyn, thanks for your great article on a great man! It's nice to be reminded of the great people who have graced our world, people of great intelligence, of perception, of humility, of vision, of integrity, of nobility.

It contrasts strongly with the ratbags and egomaniacs who proliferate like bacteria in dung!

We all know about the scoundrels, the psychopaths, the sociopaths, the misfits who have done terrible things like dropping nuclear bombs, like sending folk to the gas ovens, like dropping napalm and Agent Orange on native villages, like accumulating 99% of the wealth, etc.

But it's not often that we take time to reflect upon those who have made great contributions to the human journey.

Lyn, you in your way are making an important contribution to OLO although some people are too thick to recognize it. Ignore the ratbags and please, please, keep up your good work!
Posted by David G, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 9:27:29 AM
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The above article reads like the transcript of a Greenies wet-dream


First illegal immigration:
For 364 articles each year the illegal immigrants who fly to Indonesia or Malaysia then --for appearances sake --don civies and boat the rest of the way to Oz are portrayed as poor souls too traumatized to unwind themselves from their fetal crouches.But bingo! when it suits, they suddenly become the life of the party <<But they just erupted with excitement...>>

Then there's AGW:
If we could just overcome those dastardly "vested interests" and fall into line with the IPCC & their activist allies suggestions, we'd all live happily ever after. Incidentally international "co-operation" here means that the West fund the lifestyles of the rest. And not a word about population control!

Then the obligatory visit to the shrines of the secular saints:
With allusion that Lyn's team includes most of the icons --and wannabe icons -- of the last 100 years: Anne Frank, Martin Luther King, Gandhi ...and I wont stoop to mention the wannabes.

And DavidG was delighted by it --which if any further proof was needed -- confirms it's all a load of twaddle.

The real mystery here is, why have we as a society produce so many who are addicted to fantasy.Was it too many hours of watching Disney's Fantasy World during their formative years, or was it something in the water?
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 10:41:04 AM
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SPQR must stand for Stupid, Pathetic, Queer, Ratbag!

What a pity you couldn't contribute something positive to our world for a change!

Then some people are born for greatness and some people are just born.
Posted by David G, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 10:50:19 AM
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Lyn, David G
So are you in favour of the enforcement of climate policy or not, and if so, how is it to be enforced without using force?
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 10:52:10 AM
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I guess you could call this essay (and website) which supports Lynn's ideas a "greenie's wet dream" too.
http://sacredcamelgardens.com/wordpress/reality-humanity
And of course this website featuring individuals and groups who have chosen to light a candle rather than curse the darkness, or let the world-machine obliterate the last sparks of our feeling-humanity
http://www.dabase.org/GCF.htm
There was a popular poster/slogan in the 60's which stated that war is not healthy for children and other living-breathing-feeling beings. Such is of course the case with the current world-dominant machine, except that its power is almost infinitely greater.

That having been said, recent research tells us that Gandhi was far from being a "simon pure" character - there were some dark slippery creeps lurking in the shadows of his carefully constructed social persona.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 11:07:15 AM
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