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Non violent, never passive: remembering Gandhi : Comments

By Lyn Bender, published 2/10/2013

We can stand by and choose to do nothing or be part of this tradition of resistance against injustice and its violence.

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You need to check your history a little, one under god.

>>GHANDI too..WOULD RESIST..get it? he marched..for NO..TAX<<

Gandhi (and the Indian National Congress) marched against one tax only, the salt tax. Not specifically because it was a tax, but because of its symbolic importance in the lives of every Indian, and hence a powerful means to further the cause of independence. At no time did he campaign "for NO..TAX", since he was an extremely pragmatic individual.

They chose to oppose the salt tax because it was extremely identifiable to all the people, unlike some others under consideration, e.g. land tax, which would have failed to resonate with every single citizen.

As for taxation being "voluntary", good luck with that.

Start perhaps by explaining to your local Coles checkout chick that you don't need to pay the GST appearing on the till roll. And to your employer - if you happen to be employed - that they should not remit PAYG on your behalf, because you decline the offer to contribute voluntarily to the government's coffers.

Whether you like the concept or not (and seeing what it is spent on, I most certainly don't), taxation is now a fact of life. Reversing the process, by persuading government that they are perpetrating a criminal act by taxing the citizenry, is not possible, given the percentage of the electorate that now relies upon it for their daily bread.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 4 October 2013 9:10:42 PM
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Lyn
Do you think that climate policy should be enforced, or not?

Since you obviously have a problem with intellectual honesty or logic, let’s just look at why you have refused to answer the questions that prove you wrong.

Either you’re in favour of enforcing climate policy, in which case you’re in favour of using violence, you’re contradicting yourself, and you’re a hypocrite. Or you are in favour of climate policy being voluntary, in which case you’re contradicting yourself.

In fact, you’re even in favour of killing people, aren’t you? Because if someone does not agree to you using the State to force or threaten them into obeying you, and refuses to comply, then the State’s agents will escalate the violence they bring against your victims, won’t they? And that’s why you’re in favour of the State enforcing climate policy, isn’t it?

So at what stage would you denounce the use of violence and hold that compliance with your opinions about the weather should be voluntary? The State’s agents send a warning letter. The victim of your aggression persists in his liberty. They summons him. He rightly regards that as a threat and doesn’t obey. The State’s badge-wearing thugs go and try to arrest him. He recognises that this is an aggression against his person and resists. They point guns at him. He recognises that this is an act of aggression from whose criminality the State wrongly purports to exempt itself. They shoot him.

So prove you’re not in favour of killing or threatening to kill people for disobeying your arbitrary intolerant opinion? At what point, short of shooting people dead, do you renounce the use of violence? Because obviously all anyone will have to do is escalate their response to the State’s violence up to that level, at which point, compliance with climate policy will be voluntary, won’t it? And if not, why not?

What you need to understand is, you’re actually a very violent person, despite your self-conceit to the contrary based on not thinking through what you’re talking about.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Friday, 4 October 2013 9:29:36 PM
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pericules...your/a clever guy
you know..the feed-in tariff..is just..a money grab

a great excuse..for annual increase/of prices..[just as..the carbon tax..provided great cover..for that little/extra]

MATE..takeaway..the heading..and the topic..is about/carbon tax
read..half of..the first page..and the real*..adgenda of the spin..becomes clear..

yes all..the clever guys..got..their..44 cent feed-in/tariff rate

but..the poor..[who couldnt afford..even a tax on salt]
cant afford..this tax for subsidy..of the rich..
who saw..a great deal..and took it up..for many..it began paying them..from day one

but*..here is..the really/clever thing..
no one gets..the actual CASH..it sits on credit..[as a debt]..till that very..day they too..go bust[cause..it got..spent/stolen/misplaced./.lost in the system

till..that day..
power jumps..beyond 44 cents
[by 2028..we will/have forgotten..why
exactly..we gave..free solar to some..clever enron-esq clever guys..PLUS..a nice..income stream..to those..not so few..who festooned..their roofs..with..freee-[solafr/discredit]..with the..by now broken/solar..cells

,mate.the anger will rise..as
more..wake up..to the criminal treason..of those..who sold us out

[heck..this topic..*is SUPPOSED to be..about ghandi..
but such..is the..clever spin..that to..proved a con..too late

THESE PEOPLE....HAVE NO.SHAME BRO*
really..they live in another world

[the land of the free-lunch...of free-govt subsidy..
whether it be..free solar stuff..subsidized housing..tax shelters..or their kids..private education/health systems..or to buy-up poor hovels..with govt tax deductions..just to make..a quick buck..

*if ghandi..takes their side..PROVE IT
this carbon/farce tax..talk..is cheap spin..mate..

from go..to the eventual woe*

once..we all*..feel the pain..
of the 44 cent..feed in 'tariff'

[the current costs..are only to..re-pay/down..the govt debt..
it got into.*giving the ccccrap away..to its mates..[fellow criminals..]

its colluded..proceeds..of
crime..so many..should be..in jail

so i begin ..with the spin writers
who sold..the rest of us out..to earn..their pie crumbs
or rather a promise..of some crumbs..

the plan..is that..it rises 4 fold..by the 2016..

who know's..how much by2028..
as more realize..we being screwed..by enron /clever guys..in power communication..energy and service's..only banks will own..any..of it..shortly

im sad./.shared guilt..has put you.on the wrong side

[smart guys..was being nice..
i used that..cause..your not stupid..
you..must know..much i said..is true

you defend..the indefensible

not only..little girls..will cry..
before this reaps..its ugly harvest
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 5 October 2013 4:27:48 AM
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every time i..hear ghandi's..name ab-used

i get more angry..at greenie/capitalist shills...selling lies
http://12160.info/page/2649739:Page:1328875
http://whatreallyhappened.com/category/climategate

Political Relevance and Global Impact of Mahatma Gandhi
By: PeaceAndJustice
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/10/15/228625the-political-relevance-and-global-impact-of-mahatma-gandhi/

Human lives have become the collateral of the pattern of capital accumulation known today by the sanitized expression, the “Market economy”, with the killings of millions recorded as mere statistics, and national and international legal systems rendered powerless.

But even though it is more than half a century since the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi, wherever in the world individuals and social movements have struggled for answers,

whether at ‘Tahrir Square’ or elsewhere to surmount moral and political decay, to overturn entrenched exploitative systems or racial institutions, wherever citizens gather in mass to defy tyrannical systems, the moral political principles and strategies of Mahatma Gandhi continue to guide humanity.

Gandhi said that the alternative to acquiescing to aggressive wars was absolute ‘Civil Disobedience’ and ‘Non-Cooperation’ with the state which militarizes to wage aggressive wars.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/10/08/study-finds-global-ocean-warming-has-decelerated-50-over-the-past-50-years-2012-paper-published-in-nature-climate-change/

http://mohawknationnews.com/blog/2013/10/13/us-canada-ponzi-crash/

http://12160.info/video/what-happened-to-861
http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/10/14/blast-from-the-past-harry-reid-claimed-income-taxes-are-voluntary/
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 6:11:21 PM
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Mahatma Gandhi was a man who used violence for his own ends, that hose ends were good does not alter the fact that he deliberately provoked the British to violence.
He knew full well that the British would use violent means to break his protests, if fact their violence was a necessary part of his campaigns.

Gandhi was not violent himself but he certainly used others' violence to aid his own desires and in that sense he was a violent person.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 24 October 2013 8:47:33 PM
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