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Carr sideswipes Jews on Palestine : Comments

By David Singer, published 14/8/2013

Australia's Foreign Affairs Minister - Senator Bob Carr - has made the long running Jewish-Arab conflict an issue in the forthcoming elections on 7 September.

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Rhyme Jones. " I could image the fuss if someone said such things about Jews."
I am sure that David Singer has a filing cabinet full of comments, just from OLO, that fill all the criteria as you detail from LEGO.

I applaud your commitment regarding 'free speech' but have to admit that I found nothing in LEGOs comments inciting violence? As to the veracity of ALL LEGOs comments I could not say, but his/her choice of words seems to me to be deliberately 'inciting' the leftist 'hate' people. (Call me warped but I do find it quite amusing).

Again, whilst I find many comments on Singers posts truly loathsome, I would be able to put up with them if they were to actually address the content of the post and attempt to refute them (as does Csteel who's links I will usually follow)

Having spent many years in the central desert, and speaking 2 Aboriginal languages, many of my comments and observations are branded 'racist', but racism usually derives from ignorance, who is to say that LEGO does not propound a view/opinion based on accurate personal experience.

Branding people who hold opinions or express views counter to the 'inner city leftoid' high moral ground (yes, there's a generalisation) is the stock in trade of those without the intellectual capacity to muster an incitefull rational argument.
Posted by Prompete, Friday, 16 August 2013 3:00:03 PM
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#Emperor Julian

Your claim that a Jewish State was not contemplated by the Balfour Declaration is contradicted by Winston Churchill.

In an article entitled ‘Zionism versus Bolshevism: the Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People’, Churchill wrote in the Illustrated Sunday Herald on 8 February 1920 that Zionism offered the Jews ‘a national idea of a commanding character’. Palestine would provide ‘the Jewish race all over the world’ with, as Churchill put it, ‘a home and a centre of national life’. Although Palestine could only accommodate ‘a fraction of the Jewish race’, but ‘if, as may well happen, there should be created in our own lifetime by the banks of the Jordan a Jewish State under the protection of the British Crown which might comprise three or four millions of Jews, an event will have occurred in the history of the world which would from every point of view be beneficial, and would be especially in harmony with the truest interests of the British Empire.’

Your extensive quote from the mandate never mentions "the Palestinians" - only the "existing non- Jewish communities". Any idea how every member of the League of Nations could have overlooked what we are now being told was an indigenous population going back centuries in time?

The "Palestinians" were invented in 1964 by the PLO Charter.

Israel has agreed to negotiate with the PLO to resolve claims by Jews and Arabs to sovereignty in the West Bank,Gaza and East Jerusalem.

Given the many missed opportunities by the Palestinian Arabs over the past 90 years - the prospects for any successful end to the current negotiations seem dead in the water.
Posted by david singer, Friday, 16 August 2013 5:22:41 PM
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Dear David Singer,

The Balfour Declaration specified the future of a land of which the British had no rights to at all. It was neither British territory nor a British colony at the time of the Declaration. It was as reasonable as the Chinese specifying the future of Madagascar. What gave the British any say at all?
Posted by david f, Friday, 16 August 2013 6:12:29 PM
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Hi Rhys.

If you are not a trendy lefty, then you are probably smart enough to be deprogrammed. Please lie down on the couch and I will see what I can do.

I agree that incitement to violence should be illegal, but you see Rhys, since multiculturalism is a self evident failure in every country cursed with it, the advocates of this failed system are desperate to shut up people like me. So they are desperately trying to roll back our democratic rights because things like Freedom of Speech is a real inconvenience to them. Former Attorney General Nicola Roxon even tried to muzzle the free press, which is why the free media hates Labor. I was once a conscientious objector to the war in Vietnam, and today I am a conscientious objector to those who wish to attack our western democratic freedoms.

Now, I once believed in Santa Claus, and that God consisted of three separate entities which were all the same thing. But as I got older I realised that what I was being programmed with was obvious BS. I also believed that all human races were equal, because my culture had programmed me with that particular fiction also. But as I got older, I realised that the only way that the socialist humanitarians could explain why some races and ethnicities were always crime prone, welfare dependent and dysfunction, was to always blame the white guy.

Now, you can't program me to be an anti racist and then think that I can't see the obvious racism in the arguments of the so called "anti racists."

The most obvious contraction I see all the time, is some wacko claiming that it is utterly wrong to prejudge, label or stereotype minorities. But you see, Rhys, the people who say that constantly do exactly the same thing to the minorities that they don't like. Say something bad about aborigines or Muslims, and they all froth at the mouth. But in the next sentence they routinely attack Americans, Israelis, One Nation supporters, Nazis, and the Ku Klux Klan.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 16 August 2013 6:44:54 PM
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# David f

You continue to fail to understand that Carr, Rudd and the Labor Party have adopted a policy that states that Jews have no right to live in the West Bank according to international law - without any binding legal decision in international law to support that claim.

The Jews claim the right to live in the West Bank pursuant to article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the United Nations Charter.

Pious and sanctimonious shouts of "illegality" whilst doing nothing to prove it smacks of Jew-denigration and Jew-delegitimisation.

Carr Rudd and the Labor Party have now become parrots of a mantra that has no substance in any binding legal case to support it.

You also state:

"The Balfour Declaration specified the future of a land of which the British had no rights to at all. It was neither British territory nor a British colony at the time of the Declaration. It was as reasonable as the Chinese specifying the future of Madagascar. What gave the British any say at all?"

Palestine had been a very small part of the Ottoman Empire for 400 years before it and vast tracts of that empire were conquered by the Allied Powers in the First World War.

At the San Remo Conference as subsequently ratified by the Treaty of Sevres in 1920 the conquered Ottoman territories were apportioned as to 99.99% for Arab self determination and as to 0,01% for Jewish self determination.

The Arabs have never accepted that carve up of the Ottoman Empire pie.

Their insistence on 100% has brought them and the Jews nothing but grief.

After 90 years you would think the Palestinian Arabs were now ready to talk turkey - but they do not yet appear to be prepared to do so.

What they could have had in 1937 or 1947 or between 1948-1967 or in 2000/1 or 2008 is far more than they can ever hope to now be offered in 2013.

That is their choice - but they can blame no one but themselves for their intransigent and rejectionist stance.
Posted by david singer, Friday, 16 August 2013 11:14:24 PM
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The Singer states: "The "Palestinians" were invented in 1964 by the PLO Charter."

I'm surprised that he didn't go on to say: the Palestinians caused HIV, halitosis, dandruff, the Great Depression, the dropping of nukes on Japan, global warming, the Global Financial Crisis, the fall of Stalingrad, the crucifixion of Jesus, Australia's recent losses in the Ashes, the sinking of the nuclear submarine in Mumbai, the extinction of the dinosaurs, and the melting of the icecaps!

And that's only for starters!
Posted by David G, Saturday, 17 August 2013 1:17:47 PM
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