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God meets a different standard of proof : Comments

By Richard Shumack, published 1/8/2013

Celebrity atheist Lawrence Krauss will face off against Christian apologist William Craig, but will they meet the appropriate standard of proof.

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david/Quote:
.."I was taught by a Norwegian ...I was enthralled>>

im not.. imp-lying..the first word
in the following quote..applies..

but..please note one condition..
stated in it..has been met..[simply by 'being enthralled]'
you may*..have weighted..his declaration..with starry eyes"..
thus not on guard..or suspicious..but..*as if his words are a gospel..* truth

Quote:

<<“Possession...is not an accident.
In..becoming possessed,..the victim must*
at least..in some way,..cooperate with..or sell out..to the d-evil.”>>

i use evil relatively/speaking..
you allowed a thought..OTHERS*..opinion..to become injuriously true..for you.

[see previous yu quote]..as in the usa thing..
when that is only a potentially.. hurtful/fear inducing..negative *voice

IE>>..negative..*self talk
see page 98..or 90?..after previous page link
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=nx0ZYrhgwN8C&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=self+talk+l+is+spirit+communication&source=bl&ots=WdKBDQax05&sig=s2xrYC-smThc06x2PlgC02GO2Gc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GHL_UbTaD8bGkQW-64DIAg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=self%20talk%20l%20is%20spirit%20communication&f=false

yes the world IS*..conflicted..etc
[recall jesus/saying..*this IS satans realm
to explain..recall i quoted partly earlier

Quote:

<<..HS..gets all your guides together,..explains the plan
and how they will be able..to help you,..and then prepares to cast a portion..of its consciousness..onto Earth...

and thus
here we are*..now what?>>

what was going to be..was from
http://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/wallace/S118A.htm

but*
in waiting for a posting window
my guides keep rolling on..
it involves 13.th sperm

plus god being fair..[ie the downwards hs projection..to establish a soul..*MUST be matched..with an equal../but opposing 'projection'..to form..a soul body form..from hell

this leading up to the fertility window..
which when succesfull..becomes that incarnation..that forms the verification..fieldtest/enactment

[request'S..granted..
and the grey streak..appears..and the new life begins

but..by being polar opposites.
.[of itself necessary to establish human soul..in material form

thing is
freewill/equality/truth is all important
we live..thus bring a little of heaven with us..and a little hell

the two parts in time
fold together..[along]..the midline?
[noting cleft palate is incomplete joining..no doubt to remind of mosus eating a hot coal]..for the more silent societies..from each true realm

into this satans real
the higher court to settle disputes....where in the end

YOU JUDGE..(*YOUR HIGHER?
and thy LOWER SELVES*..via the life WE CHOSE to live..[real-ize]

YET*..both love
a good de-bait*

so i posted it here
cause i couldnt wait
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14952#14952

edited

to infer..is to include..or take in a suggestion.
thus..my imp-application..from intent...into word..via deed

Intent implies a sustained unbroken commitment or purpose,
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 2:44:29 PM
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'The world is not a better place because of religion. It is rather a hell-hole full of greed, depravity, and endless war and always has been! '

and without it we murder the unborn and the oldies and feel very self righteous about. We ignore Stalin and Mao who murder the masses in the name of no god.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 2:52:10 PM
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runner,

".....We ignore Stalin and Mao who murder the masses in the name of no god."

It's pretty clear that humans choose, at certain junctures, to inflict murder on each other en masse with or without recourse to God.
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 2:56:37 PM
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runner,

It is completely absurd to suggest that anyone could do anything in the name of the absence of something.

But even if you were right, it still wouldn’t matter, because there is nothing within atheism to support what they did anyway.

And certainly not like there is with religious doctrines and the wars that were justified by them.
Posted by AJ Philips, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 3:53:32 PM
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Dear Runner,

The world is full of people who claim to be religious, but are not, as well as people who claim to be irreligious, but in fact are.

It is not humanly possible to separate the sheep from the goats based on one's utterances, on whether one says or even thinks the correct sequence of words. What counts is only that which is within our innermost heart of hearts.

Dear David G.,

<<He taught that no person can live a truly authentic life if they embraced religious belief of any kind because they were avoiding facing the truth about human mortality. He felt that our mortality had to be faced and accepted and to engage in theological fantasies was a cop out!>>

This was your teachers view. It seems that he did not make a distinction between humans and us. Few religions (only some rare physical-immortalists) believe that humans are not mortals. Yet we are not humans, we only identify with a human for a while. Most religions would agree that we should face up and accept the mortality of this human which we currently tend to believe is us, that none of this body and mind are going to remain forever.

<<When I look around our conflicted world, I see the damage that religion causes, the divisions, the hatred, the conflicts. I see the incredible wealth of some religions, the fraudulent claims, the abuse and trickery inflicted on gullible people by all religions, and I am sickened.>>

That disgusting cynical abuse of the name of religion which you describe can indeed make everyone sickened.

<<Religion belongs in the Dark Ages but still it infects us like a cancer.>>

The Dark Ages were ruled by the church - religion was almost unknown at the time, even within the church.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 4:34:31 PM
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http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14953#14953

[quote]..aj:..<<It is completely absurd..to suggest that anyone
could do anything ...in the name of the absence of something.>>

SOME*..things..=things=something
ab-sense*..means lack..of *things..lack of ANYTHING!

yet..we have a name..for this absurd..absence

based on its qualities..such as life giver..good..omnipotent..omnipresent etc

to clarify
lets goa quote on nuthings
invisible things

from

http://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/wallace/S118A.htm

all direct/Quote:

<<Even such sceptics on the subject of the supernatural as Hume or Strauss, would probably not deny the validity of the conception of such intelligences,..or the abstract possibility*..of their existence.

They would perhaps say, "We have no sufficient proof..of the fact;
the difficulty of conceiving their mode of existence is great;

most intelligent men pass their whole lives in total ignorance of any such unseen intelligences; it is amongst the ignorant and superstitious alone that the belief in them prevails.

As philosophers we cannot deny..the possibility you postulate,
but we must have the most clear and satisfactory proof ..before we can receive it as a fact."

But

it may be argued, even if such beings should exist, they could consist only of the most diffused and subtle forms of matter. How then could they act upon ponderable bodies, how produce effects at all comparable to those which constitute so many reputed miracles?

These objectors may be reminded, that all the most powerful and universal forces of nature.. are now referred to minute vibrations of an almost infinitely attenuated form of matter;

and that, ..by the grandest generalisations of modern science, the most varied natural phenomena have been traced back to these recondite forces.

*Light, heat, electricity, magnetism, and probably vitality and gravitation, are believed to be but "modes of motion" of a space-filling ether; ..

and there is not a single manifestation..of force
or development of beauty..*but that is derived..*from one or other of these.
?
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 5:52:41 PM
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